Safecracker Tokens?

Gus · Aug 2, 2015

Oh man, getting all 26 tokens is going to take a while

. The randomness makes it kind of crazy really. I'm only at 18 so far, but am getting loads of duplicates already. I can see the last couple of tokens requiring a hundred attempts. It's all down to lady luck, which might make this the hardest wizard goal so far.

Bowflex · Aug 3, 2015

There tend to be lots of the tokens on eBay. My guess is that they minted a significantly higher number than what anyone ever could have used. Probably anticipated people keeping them and operators needing replenishment but the production run of the table ended up far lower than probably foreseen.

StarDust4Ever · Aug 3, 2015

Bowflex said:
There tend to be lots of the tokens on eBay. My guess is that they minted a significantly higher number than what anyone ever could have used. Probably anticipated people keeping them and operators needing replenishment but the production run of the table ended up far lower than probably foreseen.

Were they like standard arcade tokens, or a special size?

invitro · Aug 3, 2015

StarDust4Ever said:
Were they like standard arcade tokens, or a special size?

Maybe halfway between a quarter and a half dollar?

[ O <-- not actual size ]

StarDust4Ever · Aug 3, 2015

I got a few half dollars from my dad as a kid to pay for school lunch. Those things were huge and did not fit my piggy bank.

invitro · Aug 3, 2015

Did they fit the school's pinball machine?

Flipperdeflip · Aug 4, 2015

Bowflex said:
There tend to be lots of the tokens on eBay. My guess is that they minted a significantly higher number than what anyone ever could have used. Probably anticipated people keeping them and operators needing replenishment but the production run of the table ended up far lower than probably foreseen.

Those probably are reissues.

StarDust4Ever said:
Were they like standard arcade tokens, or a special size?

They come in two sizes, International (1.190 in.) and US Domestic (1.175 in.) The half dollar is slightly larger than an International Safe Cracker token but can be used as a replacement.

StarDust4Ever · Aug 4, 2015

invitro said:
Did they fit the school's pinball machine?

Please tell me what elementary school has pinballs in the cafeteria? Also my parents were frugal and raised me not to waste my allowance on arcade games. 50 cents per week sucked even in the 80s...

Gus · Aug 4, 2015

From the screenshots everyone is showing here, I don't see anyone that has won the token at the top, right? I'm at 24/26 now and I'm also missing that one (I also miss the rightmost token on row 2/5). I wonder if there is something specific about that top token, or that you can only get it last or something?

EldarOfSuburbia · Aug 4, 2015

Yeah that's the Silver token and it is the rarest of the lot. Ask [MENTION=459]jaredmorgs[/MENTION] about that....

eckless · Aug 5, 2015

Just got to 25 of 26 today...and yup, the last one is the top one.

Gus · Aug 11, 2015

[MENTION=459]jaredmorgs[/MENTION] do you have any info about the top silver token? I searched around a bit to find out how rare it is, but it seems to be rare only in the way that it's the only silver token out of 20/26 depending on the collection. If that was right it should be the same chance to get that token as any other. It's discouraging if noone has won it yet. Did Farsight forget to put it in?

I have won about 100 tokens in total and am stuck at 25/26 for the last 40 tokens or so.

jaredmorgs · Aug 11, 2015

In the real game, there was only one silver token provided in the Token Replenishment Set from WMS.

The token hopper tubes (there are two) hold 200 tokens IIRC.

A 2 in 400 chance per machine.

Keep playing...

jaredmorgs · Aug 11, 2015

invitro said:
I'm curious to find out the cause of the discrepancy between this number of 20 tokens, versus the number of 26 in the TPA version... EDIT: looks like the TPA version has six more silver tokens, all versions of the brass ones.

They appear as silver in the TPA interface, but they are actually referred to as "antiqued" tokens. Rather than being a gold plated token, they are tarnished copper in color.

I bugged the bottom row as duplicates along with [MENTION=2090]Mad07[/MENTION] during the beta and learned of the antiqued tokens.

Here is what the regular tokens should look like close up, in natural sunlight.

https://goo.gl/photos/VyX5S2B5U66yy3tu9

My collection is not a full set. And they need a good tumbler polish.

invitro said:
Sparkles!

I'm curious to find out the cause of the discrepancy between this number of 20 tokens, versus the number of 26 in the TPA version... EDIT: looks like the TPA version has six more silver tokens, all versions of the brass ones.

StarDust4Ever · Aug 11, 2015

Ronwell_Pudding said:
This game sucks. What a disappointment. No wonder they only made 1000 of these. What a dud.

Wow, really? The board game is awesome and I've already earned (and spent) two tokens during two play sessions. Assault on the Vault is a neat multiball mayhem mode but I imagine it could get old if they didn't make it a special reward.

May I ask what you don't like about this game? Wizard goals? board game mechanic? Tokens?

jaredmorgs said:
In the real game, there was only one silver token provided in the Token Replenishment Set from WMS.

The token hopper tubes (there are two) hold 200 tokens IIRC.

A 2 in 400 chance per machine.

Keep playing...

This brings up another question: does the system log the tokens that remain in the machine? If so, playing 200 or 400 games would guarantee a complete set, although spending them would dilute the pool of remaining tokens by adding won tokens back into the machine. Is it pure random, like picking a card out of a new deck every time (1/52 odds) or seudo-random, like pulling cards from the remaining deck?

EldarOfSuburbia · Aug 11, 2015

jaredmorgs said:
A 2 in 400 chance per machine.

Assuming no one has already won one, and the operator can be bothered to keep replenishing the tubes....

Fungi · Aug 11, 2015

StarDust4Ever said:
This brings up another question: does the system log the tokens that remain in the machine? If so, playing 200 or 400 games would guarantee a complete set, although spending them would dilute the pool of remaining tokens by adding won tokens back into the machine. Is it pure random, like picking a card out of a new deck every time (1/52 odds) or seudo-random, like pulling cards from the remaining deck?

Considering how TPA tables reset everytime you leave, the odds are probably 2/400 everytime you relaunch the table.

Extork · Aug 11, 2015

2 out of 400 times it works every time

Gus · Aug 11, 2015

0.5% chance

ok... I would feel a lot better about that if we had confirmation that someone actually has won it. Even at those odds there should be a few won already, otherwise the table reset might mess up the randomness.

EldarOfSuburbia · Aug 11, 2015

Gus said:
0.5% chance ok... I would feel a lot better about that if we had confirmation that someone actually has won it. Even at those odds there should be a few won already, otherwise the table reset might mess up the randomness.

Someone in the Google Beta Testing group has all 26. Posted proof as well. Had over 100 tokens (and who knows how many spent in AotV). Someone else has 130+ total and 25/26 uniques.

Keep on truckin'.

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