Will seasons 1 and 2 get higher resolution textures?

codinghorror · Dec 1, 2016

Someone here remarked that starting with Season 3, Farsight used much higher resolution textures for the tables -- I don't recall the exact numbers / sizes, but if anyone knows, can they share that info here?

My playfield is a 27" 1440p monitor and the difference between the newer tables (Centigrade 37 for example) and the older ones (Cirqus Voltaire for example) is quite striking. The older tables look kinda... bad... to be honest -- blurry and fuzzy textures whereas the new tables are crystal clear:

I assume that farsight digitized the real playfields and parts at super high resolution when they disassembled the orginal tables.. surely they don't want to do all that work over again! So if they have very high resolution source images for all tables, could they perhaps go back and update the texture files for the older tables?

I'd be happy to buy a small "HD Pack" add on for a couple bucks for season 1,2 that gives the equivalent (and very beautiful!) high resolution textures used in seasons 3,4,5,6+.

codinghorror · Dec 1, 2016

Oh I apologize looks like there is an topic for this:

http://digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/11353-Graphical-Updates-For-Season-1-amp-2-Tables

No response though

And I found the actual texture sizes:

Well, about half size. (1024x2048 vs 2048x4096)

Still, would love to hear directly from Farsight about when / if we can get updated textures for Seasons 1 + 2. I'm happy to pay for the work, too.

mpad · Dec 2, 2016

Unfortunately you will have to wait for your next life.
Thank Buddhism for making this possible.

Heretic · Dec 2, 2016

fyi newbie...farsights art deparment hate our guts, but screw them anyway.....it would be really nice too see...

im not unhappy with the current model but we can all agree a touch up would be nice...im not much of an art guy but i imagine most pinball are could and should be vectorized....

EldarOfSuburbia · Dec 2, 2016

If you have an nVidia GPU and it can handle higher resolutions, try using DSR. No idea if there's an equivalent for AMD GPUs.

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Megahurtz · Dec 3, 2016

EldarOfSuburbia said:
If you have an nVidia GPU and it can handle higher resolutions, try using DSR. No idea if there's an equivalent for AMD GPUs.

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Downsampling won't help with textures. Farsight upgraded the digital camera they use to take pics somewhere around like season 3 or 4. I don't think the texture resolution has changed, just the quality of source images they're using to create them.

EldarOfSuburbia · Dec 3, 2016

Megahurtz said:
Downsampling won't help with textures. Farsight upgraded the digital camera they use to take pics somewhere around like season 3 or 4. I don't think the texture resolution has changed, just the quality of source images they're using to create them.

It does help with anything that isn't a texture though, like rails, flippers, etc.

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codinghorror · Dec 4, 2016

Megahurtz said:
Downsampling won't help with textures. Farsight upgraded the digital camera they use to take pics somewhere around like season 3 or 4. I don't think the texture resolution has changed, just the quality of source images they're using to create them.

Oh no, so the source files are locked at that original lower resolution

This means they'd need to disassemble the pinballs again (I'm assuming they re-assemble them after digitization?) to get higher resolution textures.

Heretic · Dec 4, 2016

codinghorror said:
Oh no, so the source files are locked at that original lower resolution

This means they'd need to disassemble the pinballs again (I'm assuming they re-assemble them after digitization?) to get higher resolution textures.

lol ill state opinion again. art department hate us, buttt as far as the go to"actual" pin guy id imagine if they gave himthe goto he would happily restrip the machines but i honest doubt mostwereever put back..

btw horror thatblogspretty nifty..i wasnt bored...

codinghorror · Dec 6, 2016

That's great, not-boredom is my goal!

I hope Farsight can put together a HD texture pack for seasons 1 and 2 because there are some amazing tables in those seasons that just look "meh" compared to later releases.

xAzatothx · Dec 6, 2016

Given how good the tables are in the early seasons, I think they deserve a refresh on the playfield art. Monster Bash could certainly do with it.

Crazy Newt · Dec 8, 2016

xAzatothx said:
Given how good the tables are in the early seasons, I think they deserve a refresh on the playfield art. Monster Bash could certainly do with it.

I absolutely agree. I think it's too much work. It would be nice to know if it was something that was being considered, especially with the consoles releasing 4K-supported versions. It is bad enough for me on a 32" 1440p monitor, so I can only imagine how it must look on a >60" 4K monitor. It is not so much that the older tables are visually horrendous, but when compared to new tables, it is frustrating to realize what they could look like, and as you stated, these are some of the most highly sought after pins.

FlippyFloppy · Dec 8, 2016

Crazy Newt said:
I absolutely agree. I think it's too much work. It would be nice to know if it was something that was being considered.

It's been considered and something we do when we have the time. We've recently taken new pictures of several backglasses and we will update those when we can.

Crazy Newt · Dec 8, 2016

FlippyFloppy said:
It's been considered and something we do when we have the time. We've recently taken new pictures of several backglasses and we will update those when we can.

Awesome news! Thanks for the update. Just knowing it is something in the works gives me hope.

mpad · Dec 8, 2016

Great news. If there is no option to take a picture please consider a redraw. It shouldn't be very hard to improve some of the plastics or apron with some photoshop screw around. It really can't get any worse (monster bash, creature,...).

FlippyFloppy · Dec 8, 2016

mpad said:
Great news. If there is no option to take a picture please consider a redraw. It shouldn't be very hard to improve some of the plastics or apron with some photoshop screw around. It really can't get any worse (monster bash, creature,...).

Black Knight would be a good example of where we would most likely have to recreate the playfield since it's hard to find a table in decent condition. The Phantom of the Opera we have had a lot of damage in between the flippers that we had to clean up. Cleaning up or recreating the playfield however is a lengthy task and why we have only been able to do it on a handful of tables.

codinghorror · Dec 8, 2016

FlippyFloppy said:
It's been considered and something we do when we have the time. We've recently taken new pictures of several backglasses and we will update those when we can.

Fantastic news sir!!

NOW SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!

mpad · Dec 9, 2016

FlippyFloppy said:
Black Knight would be a good example of where we would most likely have to recreate the playfield since it's hard to find a table in decent condition. The Phantom of the Opera we have had a lot of damage in between the flippers that we had to clean up. Cleaning up or recreating the playfield however is a lengthy task and why we have only been able to do it on a handful of tables.

That's true but I really have nothing against a bit of patina or dirt, especially on the older tables. It even gives some authentic feel. Actually the overall look of most tables is fine unless you explore the details.
What I am talking about are the super blurry or low res plastics order inserts, where you think you lost your glasses or just drank a whole bottle of vodka when you look at them. Try to read one of the texts on monster bash or creature...

Heretic · Dec 9, 2016

mpad said:
just drank a whole bottle of vodka when you look at them. #

dont knock it had some of my best scores that way

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