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netizen · Mar 16, 2013

As many players know Cactus Canyon was rushed out, and is in an unfinished state as Factory standard. This is how it is released by TPA.

Thus there is no music for match etc.

Here is a list, no idea how complete, of the known incomplete issues in the game. Hopefully this will cut down on some of the "Bug" reporting.

http://soldmy.org/pin/cc/trivia.html

Heretic · Mar 16, 2013

Cheers for the link dude

Extrema22 · Mar 16, 2013

Thanks, I was wondering why there was no music at the end!

dtown8532 · Mar 17, 2013

For those that can't get enough of Cactus Canyon history here's a great Pinball News article and downloadable fireside chat with some of the guys behind this table. Scroll down halfway for the CC story and photos and all the way down for the download link of the full hour long presentation. Very cool stuff on how it was made and how the people behind it got the job of making what became the last traditional pin from Bally/Williams.

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2006/index8.html

Fungi · Mar 17, 2013

Anybody notice how many of the modes in CC are similar to modes in AFM? The Bart Bros. is like the Saucers, Stampede is like Total Annihilation, Mother Lode is like Super Jackpot.

The Showdowns and the Quick Draws though are definitely unique.

netizen · Mar 17, 2013

Fungi said:
Anybody notice how many of the modes in CC are similar to modes in AFM?

Just for discussions sake, and to highlight Fungi's comment, (because there is NO way this will happen on TPA in it's present incarnation) here is the wiki of features in the Cactus Canyon Continued ROM add-on/expansion.

You'll notice many modes that are reminiscent of other pins; like AFM and CFtBL.
http://soldmy.org/pin/ccc/index.php?title=New_Things_in_Cactus_Canyon_Continued

Kolchak357 · Mar 17, 2013

The CC music reminds me of the music from the A Team.

Extrema22 · Mar 18, 2013

Kolchak357 said:
The CC music reminds me of the music from the A Team.

Haha yes I thought the same thing!

Kolchak357 · Mar 18, 2013

Extrema22 said:
Haha yes I thought the same thing!

Good, I thought I was losing my marbles.

smbhax · Mar 19, 2013

dtown8532 said:
For those that can't get enough of Cactus Canyon history here's a great Pinball News article and downloadable fireside chat with some of the guys behind this table. Scroll down halfway for the CC story and photos and all the way down for the download link of the full hour long presentation. Very cool stuff on how it was made and how the people behind it got the job of making what became the last traditional pin from Bally/Williams.

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/expo2006/index8.html

Really interesting chat! Thanks for the link!

Worf · Mar 19, 2013

It's not just the ROM that was unfinished.

If you have the Pro version, check out the instruction card. It's definitely not traditional Williams-style instruction cards. Very terse and generic.

Then check out the manual for CC (you can use ipdb for it). It has NOTHING on the rules (or even a mockup of the instruction card). Just instructions on how to set up the game and then it's off to describing every setting in the game. I'm fairly certain 99% of that is just generic stuff that's been recycled from previous manuals since 99% of that is the same.

Yes, it definitely feels like the prototype was taken from the designers and programmer snd sent to production in the middle of the night.

Also - only 900-odd tables? Was this intentional or was Williams just burning through leftover parts?

canuck · Mar 19, 2013

Reading that story, its a miracle this table made it to production at all!

dtown8532 · Mar 19, 2013

Worf said:
It's not just the ROM that was unfinished.

If you have the Pro version, check out the instruction card. It's definitely not traditional Williams-style instruction cards. Very terse and generic.

Then check out the manual for CC (you can use ipdb for it). It has NOTHING on the rules (or even a mockup of the instruction card). Just instructions on how to set up the game and then it's off to describing every setting in the game. I'm fairly certain 99% of that is just generic stuff that's been recycled from previous manuals since 99% of that is the same.

Yes, it definitely feels like the prototype was taken from the designers and programmer snd sent to production in the middle of the night.

Also - only 900-odd tables? Was this intentional or was Williams just burning through leftover parts?

According to the design team, Cactus Canyon was a filler game to keep the manufacturing line going until Pinball 2000 was ready. I'm sure the team wanted to have more than 930 or so produced but Revenge From Mars was probably ready for manufacturing and that meant a lot of retooling.

And yes, if listen to the chat, they talk about getting many of the parts for the whitewood from leftover parts bins, which there were tons.

Matt McIrvin · Mar 19, 2013

This may be the most fascinatingly peculiar table pack in TPA's history. Not a lot of mass appeal, maybe, but great for people who are into pinball history.

superballs · Mar 19, 2013

That and it's a fun table. It's even fun to completely fail at.

Worf · Mar 20, 2013

dtown8532 said:
According to the design team, Cactus Canyon was a filler game to keep the manufacturing line going until Pinball 2000 was ready. I'm sure the team wanted to have more than 930 or so produced but Revenge From Mars was probably ready for manufacturing and that meant a lot of retooling.

And yes, if listen to the chat, they talk about getting many of the parts for the whitewood from leftover parts bins, which there were tons.

I believe all the whitewoods use spare leftover parts - after all, they're prototypes.

Since we're on this topic, have you seen "Tilt - The Battle to Save Pinball" ( http://www.tilt-movie.com/ ) which actually goes into a lot of details about Pinball 2000 and such. Guess I have to watch it again to see how much they have about Cactus Canyon.

Though, I'm surprised George Gomez allowed his name to be put on such an incomplete table... I admit it's a lot of fun, but it could be even more so.

Carl Spiby · Mar 20, 2013

Worf said:
I believe all the whitewoods use spare leftover parts - after all, they're prototypes.

Since we're on this topic, have you seen "Tilt - The Battle to Save Pinball" ( http://www.tilt-movie.com/ ) which actually goes into a lot of details about Pinball 2000 and such. Guess I have to watch it again to see how much they have about Cactus Canyon.

Though, I'm surprised George Gomez allowed his name to be put on such an incomplete table... I admit it's a lot of fun, but it could be even more so.

There's nothing about CC in that film from what I remember.

Kolchak357 · Mar 20, 2013

The showdowns and gunfights keep CC fresh to me. I keep playing it just for those drop targets. Fun little gimmick.

RyThom · Mar 20, 2013

Kolchak357 said:
The showdowns and gunfights keep CC fresh to me. I keep playing it just for those drop targets. Fun little gimmick.

I agree! The way the action stops to build suspense for the random drop targets is real awesome, and few things in pinball feel better than nailing a Quick Draw/Gun Fight on the first shot.

Fungi · Mar 20, 2013

Those pop-up drop targets are my favorite part. I have more fun with "Showdown" than "High Noon".

Edit: Wait "High Noon" features the pop-ups big time. What am I thinking? Nevermind. Pop-up bad guys rule!

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