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<blockquote data-quote="relaxation" data-source="post: 230766" data-attributes="member: 5759"><p>I don't believe that to be an accurate discription of 'the exploit',</p><p></p><p>'The Exploit':2 keyboard keys for nudging (or directions on the D-PAD) were combined on one keystroke to achieve the effect, ('up and in' term was used at the time) more simply. Others already had the 2key input 'skill' for sometime and didn't require a key binding.</p><p></p><p>#FUUTA explains his perference to the D-PAD over the analog stick, after others looked into it like Chewables, found the analog stick wasn't as strong as two digital nudges</p><p></p><p>#Chewables C++ found a solution, which was to have the analog sticks readings be square and not circular (called Rect Correction, in XInput Plus)*</p><p></p><p>So, before 'the patch', controller users were at a disadvantage going in more than 1 direction and Chewables found a solution to bring it up to par with the digital input</p><p></p><p>#someone uploaded a video, I find out what all that 'Up and In' business meant after watching it, the program binding the inputs isn't to blame but the inputs timing were</p><p></p><p>#'the patch' happens relatively quickly</p><p></p><p>#*PinballWizb45 believes other platforms may have kept their two-key input method intact, others too suggest mobiles screen nudge has it's values read in square.</p><p></p><p>If anyone is wondering what I mean by square or circular, <a href="http://i.imgur.com/8LPjSut.png" target="_blank">take a look</a> at the sticks input/output state. Notice the circle and how far it comes in, remember when I said the nudge strength is based on the sticks location? Well the game only read up until that outlined circle so if we do Rect Correction <a href="http://i.imgur.com/lGJeD9b.png" target="_blank">like so</a> the game will read the strengths just like digital inputs, a full 'Up and In' square reading.</p><p></p><p>side note: my earlier rant was kind of off-topic, but I'd purposely find a way to break (unintended behavoir) their game and record it just to watch them kneejerk and reset their leaderboards.. multiple times if I could.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="relaxation, post: 230766, member: 5759"] I don't believe that to be an accurate discription of 'the exploit', 'The Exploit':2 keyboard keys for nudging (or directions on the D-PAD) were combined on one keystroke to achieve the effect, ('up and in' term was used at the time) more simply. Others already had the 2key input 'skill' for sometime and didn't require a key binding. #FUUTA explains his perference to the D-PAD over the analog stick, after others looked into it like Chewables, found the analog stick wasn't as strong as two digital nudges #Chewables C++ found a solution, which was to have the analog sticks readings be square and not circular (called Rect Correction, in XInput Plus)* So, before 'the patch', controller users were at a disadvantage going in more than 1 direction and Chewables found a solution to bring it up to par with the digital input #someone uploaded a video, I find out what all that 'Up and In' business meant after watching it, the program binding the inputs isn't to blame but the inputs timing were #'the patch' happens relatively quickly #*PinballWizb45 believes other platforms may have kept their two-key input method intact, others too suggest mobiles screen nudge has it's values read in square. If anyone is wondering what I mean by square or circular, [url=http://i.imgur.com/8LPjSut.png]take a look[/url] at the sticks input/output state. Notice the circle and how far it comes in, remember when I said the nudge strength is based on the sticks location? Well the game only read up until that outlined circle so if we do Rect Correction [url=http://i.imgur.com/lGJeD9b.png]like so[/url] the game will read the strengths just like digital inputs, a full 'Up and In' square reading. side note: my earlier rant was kind of off-topic, but I'd purposely find a way to break (unintended behavoir) their game and record it just to watch them kneejerk and reset their leaderboards.. multiple times if I could. [/QUOTE]
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