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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 287828" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>If, and that's a big IF, Zen takes a licensed table like TAF and then creates original tables from that same license, it will indeed be interesting to see how they break them up. I don't see the original table being put in the Williams app (nor should it), but I also don't see them creating a whole bunch of individual apps again, like they did for Aliens and Bethesda. In FX3 I imagine there'd be another column added for that license or for a studio, with the original placed there. On mobile, the original would get released to the Zen app as a stand-alone while the Williams version would go into that app. We've been told eventually the Zen app will get upgraded to have FX3 functionality, and I believe the Williams app is being used as a test bed for what that will eventually become. </p><p></p><p>Zen likes to do things in stages, isolating potential issues and addressing them in a small sample size before applying it to everything. The Aliens app informed the Bethesda app which informed the Williams app. Mel says the mobile department is still tinkering with the Williams app, making adjustments. I expect once that gets settled down to final, work will start on a full platform style app for Zen mobile. Since the 3 original tables got pushed to 2020, it's not like there's any rush. A lot truly does come down to what Zen decides to do with licensed tables. Much as they want to create originals with those same titles, it might be a logistical nightmare. Take TAF; you wouldn't be able to do originals of the movie version, as Raul's estate is forbidden from using his likeness for anything new. You could do the new animated version, but it's from a different studio (MGM and Universal distributing as opposed to Paramount) and couldn't be mixed. That leaves the Addams estate to deal with, and you'd be basing it solely off the comics? Messy to say the least.</p><p></p><p>Side note about the unlock/grind of the mobile app...</p><p></p><p>Clash Royale has 84 different 'cards' to upgrade. Each has 13 levels, max costs 100K coins to complete. Cards are broken down into common, rare, epic, and legendary, the drops of those cards equating to their classification. A common card level up easily till about level 9, then requires hundreds of cards. Legendary only requires 20 cards for its final level, but as the name implies, you almost never get those card drops, and there's 14 of them those drops are split between. I've been playing the game over 2 years and still haven't maxed a single one of those, but I'm close on 2. It's a classic grind for upgrades mobile app, there's plenty of gems and coins you can just straight up purchase, and unless you used real money, there is no way in hell you'll ever be able to fully unlock everything in the game.</p><p></p><p>What works in its favor is there's no need to upgrade it all. On top of that they've set caps and such on card drops, plus allow for clan trades and bonus chests. The Williams app won't be "untenable" with 20 tables if they make some basic changes to the app. The first is hard capping parts so once you've collected 170 of them, upgraded or not, you'll not get more of that particular part. The second is having ways of earning bonus coins during certain events. Bonus weekends or special daily challenges, something that'll net you a lot more coins for joining in. The third, and I think I got through to Mel on this, is to let people sample the better physics in events without having to upgrade. If a person tries it and feels it's not for them, then who cares about upgrading? It's sort of how I feel about a lot of the Clash cards that I never will use or play. No sense wasting coin and upgrades on them if I'm not going to use them. That being said, IF Zen does nothing to the Williams app and leaves it as is, you are 100% correct that the app will fold on itself and become "untenable" to most users once all 19 non licensed DMD tables are in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 287828, member: 134"] If, and that's a big IF, Zen takes a licensed table like TAF and then creates original tables from that same license, it will indeed be interesting to see how they break them up. I don't see the original table being put in the Williams app (nor should it), but I also don't see them creating a whole bunch of individual apps again, like they did for Aliens and Bethesda. In FX3 I imagine there'd be another column added for that license or for a studio, with the original placed there. On mobile, the original would get released to the Zen app as a stand-alone while the Williams version would go into that app. We've been told eventually the Zen app will get upgraded to have FX3 functionality, and I believe the Williams app is being used as a test bed for what that will eventually become. Zen likes to do things in stages, isolating potential issues and addressing them in a small sample size before applying it to everything. The Aliens app informed the Bethesda app which informed the Williams app. Mel says the mobile department is still tinkering with the Williams app, making adjustments. I expect once that gets settled down to final, work will start on a full platform style app for Zen mobile. Since the 3 original tables got pushed to 2020, it's not like there's any rush. A lot truly does come down to what Zen decides to do with licensed tables. Much as they want to create originals with those same titles, it might be a logistical nightmare. Take TAF; you wouldn't be able to do originals of the movie version, as Raul's estate is forbidden from using his likeness for anything new. You could do the new animated version, but it's from a different studio (MGM and Universal distributing as opposed to Paramount) and couldn't be mixed. That leaves the Addams estate to deal with, and you'd be basing it solely off the comics? Messy to say the least. Side note about the unlock/grind of the mobile app... Clash Royale has 84 different 'cards' to upgrade. Each has 13 levels, max costs 100K coins to complete. Cards are broken down into common, rare, epic, and legendary, the drops of those cards equating to their classification. A common card level up easily till about level 9, then requires hundreds of cards. Legendary only requires 20 cards for its final level, but as the name implies, you almost never get those card drops, and there's 14 of them those drops are split between. I've been playing the game over 2 years and still haven't maxed a single one of those, but I'm close on 2. It's a classic grind for upgrades mobile app, there's plenty of gems and coins you can just straight up purchase, and unless you used real money, there is no way in hell you'll ever be able to fully unlock everything in the game. What works in its favor is there's no need to upgrade it all. On top of that they've set caps and such on card drops, plus allow for clan trades and bonus chests. The Williams app won't be "untenable" with 20 tables if they make some basic changes to the app. The first is hard capping parts so once you've collected 170 of them, upgraded or not, you'll not get more of that particular part. The second is having ways of earning bonus coins during certain events. Bonus weekends or special daily challenges, something that'll net you a lot more coins for joining in. The third, and I think I got through to Mel on this, is to let people sample the better physics in events without having to upgrade. If a person tries it and feels it's not for them, then who cares about upgrading? It's sort of how I feel about a lot of the Clash cards that I never will use or play. No sense wasting coin and upgrades on them if I'm not going to use them. That being said, IF Zen does nothing to the Williams app and leaves it as is, you are 100% correct that the app will fold on itself and become "untenable" to most users once all 19 non licensed DMD tables are in. [/QUOTE]
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