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<blockquote data-quote="superballs" data-source="post: 7237" data-attributes="member: 341"><p>I would have to step in as a VP user and a supporter of TPA. While i don't think that the overall community should be represented by one forum poster there (I haven't read the thread yet and will probably chime in there). Let it be known that the VPForums member Superballs is all about TPA, for hopefully obvious reasons, I can certainly speak for him. I'm also a paying member of VPForums so I do have something vested in it, although it's not a decade of work, but I am a supporter of the community.</p><p></p><p>TPA is a wonderful product and VP is a wonderful product. Neither are perfect and to say either are well polished is a mis-statement at best. Yes if TPTB crack down on the use of the ROMs available on VPForums (I thought that i read somewhere that VPForums was allowed to distribute those, but then again i read conspiracy theories too).</p><p></p><p>Personally, I can't stand the amount of infighting that can manifest itself within the community. Like we can't stand that someone might prefer something other than what we prefer (I say WE as a community as a whole and I'm not trying to single out this forum or VPForums or anything like that). I mean if someone prefers PinballFX, fine, not my taste but fine. If someone wants to play Future Pinball then fine, that's fine too.</p><p></p><p>As far as the future of pinball...I hope the Unity3D project is the future of Visual Pinball based on even the little bit I've seen on what work has been done on it and what I've seen on Youtube regarding what it can do, physics-wise. Since this uses a new (in VP terms) 3D engine, VPMame, and even the FP editor. Talk about bringing two constantly bickering communities together.</p><p></p><p>I really like how well VP works most of the time (as an ATI user it can be very discouraging). I like the amount of configurability it has, despite how much of a pain it can be to set up. It's actually more tedious than hard, especially in cab configuration.</p><p></p><p>TPA is worth supporting. Never have I felt that a company wants what I want. Sure they want to make money, in that they are no different from anyone else. The nice thing is that by making a living off of pinball preservation, they can make it a full time job. That is something that VP will never have is that nobody WANTS to take the time to recode it which it really needs, in order to take advantage of the newer windows gfx APIs.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, while the VP community is wonderful at making tables, they are less than stellar at improving the software.</p><p>Not to say that they are no good, there are wonderful people doing wonderful things with VP9, such as the B2S (Scoring reels on backglass) and layback functions, alpha blending for the ramps and all that. The trouble is that it's all being slapped on in a patchlike manner.</p><p></p><p>My wishlist for VP10 would be that it can natively support all these things and integrate secondary monitors more efficiently.</p><p></p><p>My wishlist for TPA is to find a way to better sync releases (not same day mind you, but closer than a month away would be nice), an awesome PC version, a table editor for authors, support for additional roms, arcade settings and a completely different way of getting on the leaderboards to make it more meaningful, and of course the typical bugfixes.</p><p></p><p>Both of our communities have a bit of guilt when it comes to not liking the other products, I'm sure when this forum gets as big as VPforums it will come out more.</p><p></p><p>I'm still glad to have not only one, but several communities to take part in, however, like said in another thread, if you won't support it, don't support it and if you will, then do it. TPA is not going to crumble or thrive based on a thread over at VPForums. Even I have my own feelings regarding the Kickstart program and see a lot of pros and cons. I really don't think that VP is going to go anywhere just because there is a Kickstarter program. The pitfalls if they present themselves would be there no matter how FS paid for the licenses not whether or not they are obtained from a kickstarter program.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="superballs, post: 7237, member: 341"] I would have to step in as a VP user and a supporter of TPA. While i don't think that the overall community should be represented by one forum poster there (I haven't read the thread yet and will probably chime in there). Let it be known that the VPForums member Superballs is all about TPA, for hopefully obvious reasons, I can certainly speak for him. I'm also a paying member of VPForums so I do have something vested in it, although it's not a decade of work, but I am a supporter of the community. TPA is a wonderful product and VP is a wonderful product. Neither are perfect and to say either are well polished is a mis-statement at best. Yes if TPTB crack down on the use of the ROMs available on VPForums (I thought that i read somewhere that VPForums was allowed to distribute those, but then again i read conspiracy theories too). Personally, I can't stand the amount of infighting that can manifest itself within the community. Like we can't stand that someone might prefer something other than what we prefer (I say WE as a community as a whole and I'm not trying to single out this forum or VPForums or anything like that). I mean if someone prefers PinballFX, fine, not my taste but fine. If someone wants to play Future Pinball then fine, that's fine too. As far as the future of pinball...I hope the Unity3D project is the future of Visual Pinball based on even the little bit I've seen on what work has been done on it and what I've seen on Youtube regarding what it can do, physics-wise. Since this uses a new (in VP terms) 3D engine, VPMame, and even the FP editor. Talk about bringing two constantly bickering communities together. I really like how well VP works most of the time (as an ATI user it can be very discouraging). I like the amount of configurability it has, despite how much of a pain it can be to set up. It's actually more tedious than hard, especially in cab configuration. TPA is worth supporting. Never have I felt that a company wants what I want. Sure they want to make money, in that they are no different from anyone else. The nice thing is that by making a living off of pinball preservation, they can make it a full time job. That is something that VP will never have is that nobody WANTS to take the time to recode it which it really needs, in order to take advantage of the newer windows gfx APIs. Frankly, while the VP community is wonderful at making tables, they are less than stellar at improving the software. Not to say that they are no good, there are wonderful people doing wonderful things with VP9, such as the B2S (Scoring reels on backglass) and layback functions, alpha blending for the ramps and all that. The trouble is that it's all being slapped on in a patchlike manner. My wishlist for VP10 would be that it can natively support all these things and integrate secondary monitors more efficiently. My wishlist for TPA is to find a way to better sync releases (not same day mind you, but closer than a month away would be nice), an awesome PC version, a table editor for authors, support for additional roms, arcade settings and a completely different way of getting on the leaderboards to make it more meaningful, and of course the typical bugfixes. Both of our communities have a bit of guilt when it comes to not liking the other products, I'm sure when this forum gets as big as VPforums it will come out more. I'm still glad to have not only one, but several communities to take part in, however, like said in another thread, if you won't support it, don't support it and if you will, then do it. TPA is not going to crumble or thrive based on a thread over at VPForums. Even I have my own feelings regarding the Kickstart program and see a lot of pros and cons. I really don't think that VP is going to go anywhere just because there is a Kickstarter program. The pitfalls if they present themselves would be there no matter how FS paid for the licenses not whether or not they are obtained from a kickstarter program. [/QUOTE]
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