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<blockquote data-quote="vikingerik" data-source="post: 206560" data-attributes="member: 3745"><p>I bought season 4, since the Jack●Bot conversion came out very well, plus TAF is a must, Starship Troopers is interesting, I like Cyclone, and counting on one more good DMD out of something like Getaway or Road Show or Safecracker. Still going to suck away too much time from productive things, though. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway, got up over 100B last night. Some more points:</p><p></p><p>There is indeed one railroaded kickout from the Game Saucer that does drain SDTM. It brushes off the tip of the right flipper. It's very rare, about 2% or so, much less common than the tracks that bounce from the center pin up the left inlane or down into the right inlane. It's easy to save with a leftwards nudge onto a catch on the left flipper, although not easy to stay calm and remember to do that instead of flailing with a slap save.</p><p></p><p>The Cashier target can indeed be backhanded, although I don't like it since catching the return isn't guaranteed, the ball can roll off the left flipper. Worth doing when time is short for a Cashier shot though.</p><p></p><p>I now think the <strong>EB generosity of Casino Run depends on how many EBs you've already collected in the game</strong>, not on the number of Runs or the number of EBs from Runs. I had one game where I collected four EBs (ramp, replay, 5 poker cards, slot machine) before the first Run, then never saw any EBs from Runs at all through about five trips. This means to go for that first Casino Run as soon as possible to get its easy EBs while the game is fresh, before you get the standard EBs from the replay and poker cards. It's like on TZ where you should collect the EB door panel before any other EBs that will spot it for you. I think Williams games are often consistent to behavior like this, caring about total EBs earned rather than any particular instances of them.</p><p></p><p>Does collecting the EB from the ramp change the timing of the award light? I had one game where I got that EB, then it seemed the light was starting on 25 Million instead of EB, which of course makes the EB more likely. But that game ended quickly so I didn't get to see much data, and it didn't happen in another game after getting the ramp EB then.</p><p></p><p>I saw a bomb cheated away from the left reel, so all three are possible. Exceedingly rare for any but the center, though.</p><p></p><p>I got the MK3 Hint very early (first Run), then later saw it spin past on the reels a couple times, so it might be possible to get more than once in a game.</p><p></p><p>Twice I saw a ball jump out of the table, by shooting towards the visor just as it was closing so it jumped off the partially-raised barrier. Both were during multiball. I happily grinded the 25 Mega Visor hits with the other ball while the rematerialized one waited in the plunger lane. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The big point: I've figured out how to grind visor lights safely. There are narrow but safe shots to each of the five column targets. From the left flipper, aim at the blue target, and you can hit either the edge just between yellow+blue or blue+orange which hits both targets and yields a safe return. From the right flipper, you can safely hit the edge just between the green+red targets to hit both. Of these, the orange (center) is the most chancy to miss and lose control, so use the Keno casino game to spot this column whenever possible.</p><p></p><p>Of course, make sure you wait for and hit the cycling Keno arrow on each of those shots. Besides multiball, visor grinding also builds up the casino game values, significantly so. It's Keno cards directly, plus the arrow awards Poker cards frequently. I had the Keno game up over 400M (16 cards completed) and Poker over 250M (5 hands completed). The 25M and 50M awards from the Keno arrow also add up. Poker cards also build bonus which is collected very often. So when should you grind the visor instead of casino games? I think when you're at the max 4 EBs stacked, so Casino Run isn't all that helpful when it can't yield EBs, so then prioritize the visor over the game saucer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vikingerik, post: 206560, member: 3745"] I bought season 4, since the Jack●Bot conversion came out very well, plus TAF is a must, Starship Troopers is interesting, I like Cyclone, and counting on one more good DMD out of something like Getaway or Road Show or Safecracker. Still going to suck away too much time from productive things, though. :) Anyway, got up over 100B last night. Some more points: There is indeed one railroaded kickout from the Game Saucer that does drain SDTM. It brushes off the tip of the right flipper. It's very rare, about 2% or so, much less common than the tracks that bounce from the center pin up the left inlane or down into the right inlane. It's easy to save with a leftwards nudge onto a catch on the left flipper, although not easy to stay calm and remember to do that instead of flailing with a slap save. The Cashier target can indeed be backhanded, although I don't like it since catching the return isn't guaranteed, the ball can roll off the left flipper. Worth doing when time is short for a Cashier shot though. I now think the [b]EB generosity of Casino Run depends on how many EBs you've already collected in the game[/b], not on the number of Runs or the number of EBs from Runs. I had one game where I collected four EBs (ramp, replay, 5 poker cards, slot machine) before the first Run, then never saw any EBs from Runs at all through about five trips. This means to go for that first Casino Run as soon as possible to get its easy EBs while the game is fresh, before you get the standard EBs from the replay and poker cards. It's like on TZ where you should collect the EB door panel before any other EBs that will spot it for you. I think Williams games are often consistent to behavior like this, caring about total EBs earned rather than any particular instances of them. Does collecting the EB from the ramp change the timing of the award light? I had one game where I got that EB, then it seemed the light was starting on 25 Million instead of EB, which of course makes the EB more likely. But that game ended quickly so I didn't get to see much data, and it didn't happen in another game after getting the ramp EB then. I saw a bomb cheated away from the left reel, so all three are possible. Exceedingly rare for any but the center, though. I got the MK3 Hint very early (first Run), then later saw it spin past on the reels a couple times, so it might be possible to get more than once in a game. Twice I saw a ball jump out of the table, by shooting towards the visor just as it was closing so it jumped off the partially-raised barrier. Both were during multiball. I happily grinded the 25 Mega Visor hits with the other ball while the rematerialized one waited in the plunger lane. :) The big point: I've figured out how to grind visor lights safely. There are narrow but safe shots to each of the five column targets. From the left flipper, aim at the blue target, and you can hit either the edge just between yellow+blue or blue+orange which hits both targets and yields a safe return. From the right flipper, you can safely hit the edge just between the green+red targets to hit both. Of these, the orange (center) is the most chancy to miss and lose control, so use the Keno casino game to spot this column whenever possible. Of course, make sure you wait for and hit the cycling Keno arrow on each of those shots. Besides multiball, visor grinding also builds up the casino game values, significantly so. It's Keno cards directly, plus the arrow awards Poker cards frequently. I had the Keno game up over 400M (16 cards completed) and Poker over 250M (5 hands completed). The 25M and 50M awards from the Keno arrow also add up. Poker cards also build bonus which is collected very often. So when should you grind the visor instead of casino games? I think when you're at the max 4 EBs stacked, so Casino Run isn't all that helpful when it can't yield EBs, so then prioritize the visor over the game saucer. [/QUOTE]
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