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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The-Man-In-Black" data-source="post: 275434" data-attributes="member: 7112">Emphasis mine.  Depending on how you define "exploited certain aspects of the table", this puts their scores, to me at least, in a grey area at best.  Did they exploit aspects that actually existed on the original versions of the table?  Were these exploits something a legitimate player could conceivably come across?  Did these exploits only exist on PC?   The definition of "exploited certain aspects of the table" means a world of difference between legitimately earned scores, exploiting a game glitch, and outright cheating.   And at the risk of sounding like I'm throwing accusations around, I find it difficult to believe that such legitimate exploits exist in virtually every table in the game, only in the PC version, and are only known to less than half a dozen players who dominate the top of almost every leaderboard.    It's very apt that someone mentioned Billy Mitchell earlier in the thread; many top video game pros who have consistently been at the top for long periods of time have been recently exposed as cheaters, even though many thought for years or even decades that their scores were legitimate.  That being said, if there really are that many exploits in the PC version that don't exist on consoles and/or have since been removed, it just adds to the argument that the leaderboards need to be either reset (because the top scores are now very likely unobtainable), or at the very least separated by platform (because exploits exist on one format but not another, allowing for higher scores).  That argument works in shooters, where even a mediocre KB/M player will absolutely dominate top professional console players.  It's not even a contest.  But pinball is basically two buttons.   It really doesn't matter which two buttons it is.    I've played pinball on both console and PC, and my scores are consistently pretty similar.  But of course, that's just me.  YMMV.</blockquote>

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