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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 292668" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>You are certainly welcome to your opinion, and that is exactly what this forum is for. Good or bad, so long as the opinions made are done so with respect, discussions can be had. So, let me discuss by addressing your points...</p><p></p><p>1. You dislike freemium, I get it. I personally dislike it when you play apps of this nature that hit a pay wall you simply cannot avoid. Zen's Williams app is not this however. It is more than possible to get every single table released, for free, so long as you are willing to dedicate time and effort to it. You clearly wish this to just be a pay for content app, and the payment system that is in place here is not cost effective nor easy to use. Completely valid feeling. Where I disagree with you though is that the app is unplayable (I play it almost daily) and that is no fun. I have found this sort of grinding for rewards to actually be the key factor in my daily play, as opposed to once I've collected everything I tend to stop playing completely as I use my phone for mobile app style games, and the PC for hardcore sessions. And again, grinding may not be for you, but once you have reached 2 stars, the tables can be played in normal 3 ball fashion.</p><p></p><p>2. Have you tried contacting customer support about controller support? Tried using a 3rd party app? I mean, part of me asks why you are doing any gaming at all on a Mac, but that's just me! I personally use a PS4 controller on my PC, and when I play TPA I have to use a 3rd party app to make it work, same with FX2.</p><p></p><p>3. Same situation, I don't know about controller support at all with phones or tablets. I thought iOS was supposed to be introducing support for PS4 controllers, but I don't know if that has happened yet.</p><p></p><p>4. Again, contact Zen customer support and see if there is a work around.</p><p></p><p>5. Not true. Only the consoles have censored art, mobile and PC allow you to select the uncensored version. As for voicework, care to give an example of where it's different? And it's not like FarSight didn't do some art tinkering in TPA, as that term came to be known as 'Festering' after what they had to do to Addams Family in order to release it. Further examples are what they did to No Fear, where art, DMD, and voice work were changed, and World Cup Soccer becoming World Champion Soccer with a completely new color scheme, major art alterations, and DMD changes. The reality is, if you want these tables in the digital realm, you are going to have to deal with certain allowances being made.</p><p></p><p>6. If you've paid any attention to Zen over the years, you'd realize 18 tables in that time period is really good for them. FarSight initially released 22 in their first year, but by year 3 were down to 10 a year. Emotions are making you see things in a certain light, but the facts are a bit different when you look not short term, but long. Oh, and Zen plans of having more tables come May or June. </p><p></p><p>7. The Zen app not only looks better than TPA, it plays better and sounds better. It's a bummer that the game is not playing nice with your Apple products. It plays amazing on my iPhone 7 plus, but then I am not trying to use my hands and I treat the game itself as nearly every other mobile app I have on my phone. You say it's the worst app ever, but I can give you a list of about 10 other pinball apps alone that will make you change your tune. All that said, I don't expect this to somehow make you happy. Zen's version of the Williams tables does not give you the experience you want with the devices you own. I can only encourage you to try it out on a friend's system that is PC, or even on the Switch. I have it set up on my PC in a cabinet configuration, something I've yet to accomplish with TPA (who's controller and menu options are the source of much frustration to me).</p><p></p><p>And by the way, welcome to the forum! Feel free to continue expressing yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 292668, member: 134"] You are certainly welcome to your opinion, and that is exactly what this forum is for. Good or bad, so long as the opinions made are done so with respect, discussions can be had. So, let me discuss by addressing your points... 1. You dislike freemium, I get it. I personally dislike it when you play apps of this nature that hit a pay wall you simply cannot avoid. Zen's Williams app is not this however. It is more than possible to get every single table released, for free, so long as you are willing to dedicate time and effort to it. You clearly wish this to just be a pay for content app, and the payment system that is in place here is not cost effective nor easy to use. Completely valid feeling. Where I disagree with you though is that the app is unplayable (I play it almost daily) and that is no fun. I have found this sort of grinding for rewards to actually be the key factor in my daily play, as opposed to once I've collected everything I tend to stop playing completely as I use my phone for mobile app style games, and the PC for hardcore sessions. And again, grinding may not be for you, but once you have reached 2 stars, the tables can be played in normal 3 ball fashion. 2. Have you tried contacting customer support about controller support? Tried using a 3rd party app? I mean, part of me asks why you are doing any gaming at all on a Mac, but that's just me! I personally use a PS4 controller on my PC, and when I play TPA I have to use a 3rd party app to make it work, same with FX2. 3. Same situation, I don't know about controller support at all with phones or tablets. I thought iOS was supposed to be introducing support for PS4 controllers, but I don't know if that has happened yet. 4. Again, contact Zen customer support and see if there is a work around. 5. Not true. Only the consoles have censored art, mobile and PC allow you to select the uncensored version. As for voicework, care to give an example of where it's different? And it's not like FarSight didn't do some art tinkering in TPA, as that term came to be known as 'Festering' after what they had to do to Addams Family in order to release it. Further examples are what they did to No Fear, where art, DMD, and voice work were changed, and World Cup Soccer becoming World Champion Soccer with a completely new color scheme, major art alterations, and DMD changes. The reality is, if you want these tables in the digital realm, you are going to have to deal with certain allowances being made. 6. If you've paid any attention to Zen over the years, you'd realize 18 tables in that time period is really good for them. FarSight initially released 22 in their first year, but by year 3 were down to 10 a year. Emotions are making you see things in a certain light, but the facts are a bit different when you look not short term, but long. Oh, and Zen plans of having more tables come May or June. 7. The Zen app not only looks better than TPA, it plays better and sounds better. It's a bummer that the game is not playing nice with your Apple products. It plays amazing on my iPhone 7 plus, but then I am not trying to use my hands and I treat the game itself as nearly every other mobile app I have on my phone. You say it's the worst app ever, but I can give you a list of about 10 other pinball apps alone that will make you change your tune. All that said, I don't expect this to somehow make you happy. Zen's version of the Williams tables does not give you the experience you want with the devices you own. I can only encourage you to try it out on a friend's system that is PC, or even on the Switch. I have it set up on my PC in a cabinet configuration, something I've yet to accomplish with TPA (who's controller and menu options are the source of much frustration to me). And by the way, welcome to the forum! Feel free to continue expressing yourself. [/QUOTE]
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