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<blockquote data-quote="xZOMBIEx" data-source="post: 268373" data-attributes="member: 6699"><p>After playing some more last night, multiple tables, i can definitely say that I'm not liking the "tuning" if that is what it is one bit... Numerous times i would lose the ball over stupid stuff that never happened before because its to bouncy and also right after plunging it, it would right away go down a drain lane depending how it bounced or what it bounced off, etc....</p><p></p><p>Fish Tales is one of the more frustrating tables with these ball physics.... It is now virtually impossible too get that fast reel skill shot, where you are supposed to hit the ball into the ball lock immediately after launching it... Before it would be easier to catch and have just enough time although it was still short and hard to do, but it could be done to get that skill shot, but now the ball bounces off to high or if you try to hit it right when it hits the flipper it goes off and will sometimes go down the right drain lane....</p><p></p><p>These are the kinds of things that infuriates us, majority of the tables, especially the older seasons were fine just as they were, maybe some of the newer tables needed some adjusting, for example the World Cup table seemed real floaty and slow, it feels a little better now, but there could be some tweaking still....</p><p></p><p>Another table that is just about unplayable with how the ball is going all crazy now is the Frank Thomas table Grand Slam or something? The ball will drain almost immediately when trying to go for the skill shot in that and even if you don't and just playing or trying to it ends up draining... While that's a table I haven't played much, mostly because of how the lighting was last year and ended up not playing the whole game for most of the year, I would sometimes still try here and there, and I never had lost the ball as quick as i have last night... It got so frustrating that i just stopped....</p><p></p><p>However, the last table that i ended up trying before giving up because i wanted to see how bad Addams Family might have gotten and thankfully that table felt like it always has and felt like it played the same and the ball wasn't bouncing around all crazy like on the other tables...</p><p></p><p>So if you all can, please get the ball physics similar to that table or back to how they were.... While the ball does feel a little heavier in some regards to make it faster i guess, it is making it way to bouncy like if it's a rubber ball and not a steel ball... On most real life tables, the ball doesn't come bounce off the flipper and go past the bumper above it or i think they are called the sling shots? But what ever they are called right above to the side of the flippers that can bump the ball around, it shouldn't go higher than them... </p><p></p><p>Most of the complaints are either with the sound, lighting, the game not restarting correctly, like one that comes to mind that i haven't tried yet, but i will tonight is Bone Busters, usually after you lost your balls, the table wouldn't restart like it should, it would just be stuck at the end and that is what messed up that table the last time the PS4 had a tournament and that was included... The only way your score got recognized was if you didn't lose the game and time ran out, but if you lost then it usually just stayed there and wouldn't restart or get your score and the time stopped cause it thought you lost and was waiting for you to proceed to start again...</p><p></p><p>But it had that issue in the regular game, so it doesn't have to be in the tournament setting to see if it is fixed or still broken....</p><p></p><p>But what i was getting to, was that it seems like people are going in and tweaking things that were already well enough as it was and it doesn't seem like there are any testers, so it just gets released and we are the ones that have to report and wait.... For example, the lighting was fine before the 1.17 patch last year... Sure it wasn't amazing, but it was a lot better than it was before that patch and could at least see the ball and play field.... Then 1.17 patch and it was too dark and hard to see the ball and took a year to get fixed and every time we would let support know they said they were aware and a fix would be coming soon, which we all know how that turned out...</p><p></p><p>Again, I hate to bring up Zens Pinball FX series, but on there we don't have the ball or any physics that are different from table to table, for the most part its pretty consistent across all tables.... I understand it might be a little tricky when trying to recreate an authentic table versus one like theirs which are all originals, but the core physics should be the same no matter what table... Much like in real life, the ball is the same in all tables unless there is a social one like the ceramic one on Twilight Zone... It rolls down the same speed at the same angle and it will bounce the same, etc... So that's why I say the core physics of the ball should be about the same in all tables and then its just a matter of what kind of things are in the table that it will bounce off of, like rubber, plastic, metal, etc...</p><p></p><p>So when things are tweaked like they have been if that's the case it some coding of the physics got messed up cause something else was changed, but either way, it's those things that throw the game off and we tend to lose interest....</p><p></p><p>Well, I'll test some others out, but the more frustrated this game makes me is just driving me further away to just give up on it and i don't want to cause i love pinball and don't really have a place to go and play, so these are the next best available and while i do like the real tables more, if rather just play Zens originals cause i know it's not in this kind of shape and know what to expect.... Plus, i would love to play these newer tables and learn them, but when its unfair physics that causes you to lose, well that just kills the fun... That's what it felt like last night, most drains were BS and i would restart and then immediately again drain after launching or knowing things are so off it throws off how you play, etc...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xZOMBIEx, post: 268373, member: 6699"] After playing some more last night, multiple tables, i can definitely say that I'm not liking the "tuning" if that is what it is one bit... Numerous times i would lose the ball over stupid stuff that never happened before because its to bouncy and also right after plunging it, it would right away go down a drain lane depending how it bounced or what it bounced off, etc.... Fish Tales is one of the more frustrating tables with these ball physics.... It is now virtually impossible too get that fast reel skill shot, where you are supposed to hit the ball into the ball lock immediately after launching it... Before it would be easier to catch and have just enough time although it was still short and hard to do, but it could be done to get that skill shot, but now the ball bounces off to high or if you try to hit it right when it hits the flipper it goes off and will sometimes go down the right drain lane.... These are the kinds of things that infuriates us, majority of the tables, especially the older seasons were fine just as they were, maybe some of the newer tables needed some adjusting, for example the World Cup table seemed real floaty and slow, it feels a little better now, but there could be some tweaking still.... Another table that is just about unplayable with how the ball is going all crazy now is the Frank Thomas table Grand Slam or something? The ball will drain almost immediately when trying to go for the skill shot in that and even if you don't and just playing or trying to it ends up draining... While that's a table I haven't played much, mostly because of how the lighting was last year and ended up not playing the whole game for most of the year, I would sometimes still try here and there, and I never had lost the ball as quick as i have last night... It got so frustrating that i just stopped.... However, the last table that i ended up trying before giving up because i wanted to see how bad Addams Family might have gotten and thankfully that table felt like it always has and felt like it played the same and the ball wasn't bouncing around all crazy like on the other tables... So if you all can, please get the ball physics similar to that table or back to how they were.... While the ball does feel a little heavier in some regards to make it faster i guess, it is making it way to bouncy like if it's a rubber ball and not a steel ball... On most real life tables, the ball doesn't come bounce off the flipper and go past the bumper above it or i think they are called the sling shots? But what ever they are called right above to the side of the flippers that can bump the ball around, it shouldn't go higher than them... Most of the complaints are either with the sound, lighting, the game not restarting correctly, like one that comes to mind that i haven't tried yet, but i will tonight is Bone Busters, usually after you lost your balls, the table wouldn't restart like it should, it would just be stuck at the end and that is what messed up that table the last time the PS4 had a tournament and that was included... The only way your score got recognized was if you didn't lose the game and time ran out, but if you lost then it usually just stayed there and wouldn't restart or get your score and the time stopped cause it thought you lost and was waiting for you to proceed to start again... But it had that issue in the regular game, so it doesn't have to be in the tournament setting to see if it is fixed or still broken.... But what i was getting to, was that it seems like people are going in and tweaking things that were already well enough as it was and it doesn't seem like there are any testers, so it just gets released and we are the ones that have to report and wait.... For example, the lighting was fine before the 1.17 patch last year... Sure it wasn't amazing, but it was a lot better than it was before that patch and could at least see the ball and play field.... Then 1.17 patch and it was too dark and hard to see the ball and took a year to get fixed and every time we would let support know they said they were aware and a fix would be coming soon, which we all know how that turned out... Again, I hate to bring up Zens Pinball FX series, but on there we don't have the ball or any physics that are different from table to table, for the most part its pretty consistent across all tables.... I understand it might be a little tricky when trying to recreate an authentic table versus one like theirs which are all originals, but the core physics should be the same no matter what table... Much like in real life, the ball is the same in all tables unless there is a social one like the ceramic one on Twilight Zone... It rolls down the same speed at the same angle and it will bounce the same, etc... So that's why I say the core physics of the ball should be about the same in all tables and then its just a matter of what kind of things are in the table that it will bounce off of, like rubber, plastic, metal, etc... So when things are tweaked like they have been if that's the case it some coding of the physics got messed up cause something else was changed, but either way, it's those things that throw the game off and we tend to lose interest.... Well, I'll test some others out, but the more frustrated this game makes me is just driving me further away to just give up on it and i don't want to cause i love pinball and don't really have a place to go and play, so these are the next best available and while i do like the real tables more, if rather just play Zens originals cause i know it's not in this kind of shape and know what to expect.... Plus, i would love to play these newer tables and learn them, but when its unfair physics that causes you to lose, well that just kills the fun... That's what it felt like last night, most drains were BS and i would restart and then immediately again drain after launching or knowing things are so off it throws off how you play, etc... [/QUOTE]
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