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<blockquote data-quote="xZOMBIEx" data-source="post: 271522" data-attributes="member: 6699"><p>Yes, like mentioned above, the Stern PBA version is much much better overall versus the regular PBA version, which seems weird as all you guys had to do was port over the Stern version... However, I think this also proves that the regular PBA version on PS4 is not a TRUE version of the game built for the PS4 and for it to take advantage of the PS4 hardware and power...</p><p></p><p>I've pointed this out numerous times with how the bulb lights look on thes Frank Thomas table on PC versus the PS4 version... When you lik at that game or table I should say, on the PC version. You can clearly see the bulbs on the table look like actual bulbs. When a bulb has like a spinning affect, kind of like a light on a emergency vehicle and you see how it sounds around with light/bright part being on half and having that turning spin like effect... You kind of have that more or less on the PC version and this is with all tables, i just tend to notice it a lot more on that table from videos I've seen online...</p><p></p><p>However when you look at the PS4 version, you just have a genetic flash like effect... It looks like the 360 and PS3 version of the game or even the PC version, but the version that has the lower settings instead of the latest version that lets you adjust the shadows, darkness, etc.....</p><p></p><p>Same with the ball, while the ball has gotten much better compared to how it used to be, its still far from being what it can be.... It still has that matted like look to it... While it is a little brighter and can see it a tiny bit better, it still doesn't have that shiny steel look to it... </p><p></p><p>And don't tell us it can get those kind if graphics or looks on the PS4 because Zen has been able to do it on their tables especially on their newest Pinball FX 3 version of the game... </p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to put down Farsight, but you can't deny when you look at both versions side by side (pinball arcade vs pinball fx3) you can clearly see how PB FX3 looks way more vivid and tbh much more real looking as far as the colors and graphics... Even ifyou use the Ghostbusters table against any of the tables on FX3 you can see a huge difference in the quality and life like graphics on it compared to PBA...</p><p></p><p>However, if you were to do the same side by side tests of the PC and even the mobile version on a high end phone versus FX3 and that both look amazing and both have strengths and weaknesses, I would probably say the PC/Mobile version of PBA look way more life like versus FX3 and with those versions side by side, you can see how FX3 looks more video game'ish, even though it's still amazing looking...</p><p></p><p>The main point though is that it's pretty obvious the PS4 version of PBA looks and probably is a high and port of the 360/PS3 version of the game and probably because it was cheaper, easier, and faster for Farsight to do that instead of building a whole new version from ths ground up taking advantage of the PS4 hardware and power... That would have been ok when if first came out, but you all should have been working on a whole new version of ths game just like how Zen did with FX3... Also they were able to have their older tables look much better and take advantage of the new visuals and effects in FX3 or how it handles those kinds of things....</p><p></p><p>Speaking of which, I have never had an issue with how the ball looks on FX3 in that I've never had issues seeing it or keeping track of it, where as on PBA it's much harder to see, even with the new light settings or bright setting that was added.... Before that setting was added, I would end up using the kind of bright green ball that's in the game or similar if the green ball didn't work well on certain tables... Since the setting was added, I still don't use the default silver ball even though that's the one I would much prefer to use, but I end up using one of the glow balls... Usually the white looking one or grey looking one from the glow oness....</p><p></p><p>But that shows how its still not all that good....</p><p></p><p>It's obvious the PS4 and I'm sure the XB1 versions of PBA need a complete overhaul because it's definitely not taking advantage of ths higher power and hardware these systems have... And while it might be too late now to try and get a whole new version before you all lose the Williams/Bally tables or the ability to sell them and advertise to people who haven't got them yet, but maybe you can let whoever makes these kind of decisions to let people know that a whole new version is being worked on and the Williams/Bally tables will be upgraded graphically as well as long as people have them prior to the deadline, but you all HAVE to keep to your guys word and actually do it in a timely manner, then Im sure you all would have a much bigger spike in the sales of those tables before they go away from being able to purchase them...</p><p></p><p>But on the other hand, if you all don't plan on improving the lighting, graphics, etc. Compared to what they are now, then it might be a good thing for us customers that Farsight lost the Williams/Bally licenses and hopefully they go with Zen and Zen is able to reproduce those tables with their software...</p><p></p><p>Again, i'm not trying to put down Farsight, it's just we're frustrated and we know these tables could look much better on PS4 and it's really frustrating seeing other companies give much more love to their version of pinball tables regardless if they are not based off of real life tables... You have to admit that a lot of their recent tables, since around when the Aliens tables came out and the other Fox cartoon shows the tables were based off of, look like they could be real life tables minus the obvious things that happen on the table that clearly make it a video game and wouldn't be possible on a real life table... But that's only a few of the modes or things that might pop out onto the table here and there... A lot of the things on those tables can be produced and made on real table, you can see how they made a lot of the Alien/Predator targets that come up on the table look like a card or switch that could actually pop up on a table and move side to side and go back down when it's hit... Also some of the graphical heavy modes that come up, can be converted into a real table via the colored dmd display that most of these newer tables are coming out with like the new Star Wars and Iron Maiden tables from Stern.... </p><p></p><p>I'm sorry for the long post, i just get so passionate when talking about this... Plus I just want the best for everyone... There was a time when I LOVED Pinball Arcade... Heck I had all the tables up to Judge Dredd on PC before it broke down and then I ended up getting them all over again on 360 which stopped getting tables a little after Addams Family or Starship Troopers, so never got a lot of ths tables i had on PC... Then i finally made the jump to PS4 about a year and a half ago and while I was only going to get tables I didn't have on 360 as I didn't want to triple dip on tables yet again that I owned on PC and 360, but I eventually started to get all the previous seasons on PS4 just cause it was easier to play on that and because they might have been on sale here and there but we all know those are extremely rare to be on sale on PS4...</p><p></p><p>Then the updates started to get slower and further between each update and I along with others started to feel like we were being screwed and got forgotten about....</p><p></p><p>Until recently when you (Tom) came and started to change things for us PS4 users and hopefully it continues to get better... Oh and I understand if some of the lighting updates you did was done quickly to try and improve things for the time being, which has worked, but that's why I made this post because the updates and small improvements that you did shouldn't be the one and only update you do to the lighting/graphics... While they did help and made the game more playable then it was all last year, thers still a long ways to go...</p><p></p><p>Another thing that would be great now that season 8 isn't going to be every month with a new table, is that there is more time to make a whole new version of the game that could compete with FX3 because right now, Zen is leaving Farsight in the dust and a lot of us are slowly starting to play FX3 much more than PBA, at least on consoles (PS4 and XB1)...</p><p></p><p>But yeah, thanks again, I better stop or I'll start going on and on again... Maybe Williams/Bally will come back after they see you all making improvements... There's got to be a reason they didn't want to renew, especially when they are making money for tables that's not even being made or produced anymore... Unless they have seen the disgruntled fan base and seen the huge improvements and praises Zen has gotten with FX3 and maybe looking to ride that wave with them... i know I would..</p><p></p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Jake</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xZOMBIEx, post: 271522, member: 6699"] Yes, like mentioned above, the Stern PBA version is much much better overall versus the regular PBA version, which seems weird as all you guys had to do was port over the Stern version... However, I think this also proves that the regular PBA version on PS4 is not a TRUE version of the game built for the PS4 and for it to take advantage of the PS4 hardware and power... I've pointed this out numerous times with how the bulb lights look on thes Frank Thomas table on PC versus the PS4 version... When you lik at that game or table I should say, on the PC version. You can clearly see the bulbs on the table look like actual bulbs. When a bulb has like a spinning affect, kind of like a light on a emergency vehicle and you see how it sounds around with light/bright part being on half and having that turning spin like effect... You kind of have that more or less on the PC version and this is with all tables, i just tend to notice it a lot more on that table from videos I've seen online... However when you look at the PS4 version, you just have a genetic flash like effect... It looks like the 360 and PS3 version of the game or even the PC version, but the version that has the lower settings instead of the latest version that lets you adjust the shadows, darkness, etc..... Same with the ball, while the ball has gotten much better compared to how it used to be, its still far from being what it can be.... It still has that matted like look to it... While it is a little brighter and can see it a tiny bit better, it still doesn't have that shiny steel look to it... And don't tell us it can get those kind if graphics or looks on the PS4 because Zen has been able to do it on their tables especially on their newest Pinball FX 3 version of the game... I'm not trying to put down Farsight, but you can't deny when you look at both versions side by side (pinball arcade vs pinball fx3) you can clearly see how PB FX3 looks way more vivid and tbh much more real looking as far as the colors and graphics... Even ifyou use the Ghostbusters table against any of the tables on FX3 you can see a huge difference in the quality and life like graphics on it compared to PBA... However, if you were to do the same side by side tests of the PC and even the mobile version on a high end phone versus FX3 and that both look amazing and both have strengths and weaknesses, I would probably say the PC/Mobile version of PBA look way more life like versus FX3 and with those versions side by side, you can see how FX3 looks more video game'ish, even though it's still amazing looking... The main point though is that it's pretty obvious the PS4 version of PBA looks and probably is a high and port of the 360/PS3 version of the game and probably because it was cheaper, easier, and faster for Farsight to do that instead of building a whole new version from ths ground up taking advantage of the PS4 hardware and power... That would have been ok when if first came out, but you all should have been working on a whole new version of ths game just like how Zen did with FX3... Also they were able to have their older tables look much better and take advantage of the new visuals and effects in FX3 or how it handles those kinds of things.... Speaking of which, I have never had an issue with how the ball looks on FX3 in that I've never had issues seeing it or keeping track of it, where as on PBA it's much harder to see, even with the new light settings or bright setting that was added.... Before that setting was added, I would end up using the kind of bright green ball that's in the game or similar if the green ball didn't work well on certain tables... Since the setting was added, I still don't use the default silver ball even though that's the one I would much prefer to use, but I end up using one of the glow balls... Usually the white looking one or grey looking one from the glow oness.... But that shows how its still not all that good.... It's obvious the PS4 and I'm sure the XB1 versions of PBA need a complete overhaul because it's definitely not taking advantage of ths higher power and hardware these systems have... And while it might be too late now to try and get a whole new version before you all lose the Williams/Bally tables or the ability to sell them and advertise to people who haven't got them yet, but maybe you can let whoever makes these kind of decisions to let people know that a whole new version is being worked on and the Williams/Bally tables will be upgraded graphically as well as long as people have them prior to the deadline, but you all HAVE to keep to your guys word and actually do it in a timely manner, then Im sure you all would have a much bigger spike in the sales of those tables before they go away from being able to purchase them... But on the other hand, if you all don't plan on improving the lighting, graphics, etc. Compared to what they are now, then it might be a good thing for us customers that Farsight lost the Williams/Bally licenses and hopefully they go with Zen and Zen is able to reproduce those tables with their software... Again, i'm not trying to put down Farsight, it's just we're frustrated and we know these tables could look much better on PS4 and it's really frustrating seeing other companies give much more love to their version of pinball tables regardless if they are not based off of real life tables... You have to admit that a lot of their recent tables, since around when the Aliens tables came out and the other Fox cartoon shows the tables were based off of, look like they could be real life tables minus the obvious things that happen on the table that clearly make it a video game and wouldn't be possible on a real life table... But that's only a few of the modes or things that might pop out onto the table here and there... A lot of the things on those tables can be produced and made on real table, you can see how they made a lot of the Alien/Predator targets that come up on the table look like a card or switch that could actually pop up on a table and move side to side and go back down when it's hit... Also some of the graphical heavy modes that come up, can be converted into a real table via the colored dmd display that most of these newer tables are coming out with like the new Star Wars and Iron Maiden tables from Stern.... I'm sorry for the long post, i just get so passionate when talking about this... Plus I just want the best for everyone... There was a time when I LOVED Pinball Arcade... Heck I had all the tables up to Judge Dredd on PC before it broke down and then I ended up getting them all over again on 360 which stopped getting tables a little after Addams Family or Starship Troopers, so never got a lot of ths tables i had on PC... Then i finally made the jump to PS4 about a year and a half ago and while I was only going to get tables I didn't have on 360 as I didn't want to triple dip on tables yet again that I owned on PC and 360, but I eventually started to get all the previous seasons on PS4 just cause it was easier to play on that and because they might have been on sale here and there but we all know those are extremely rare to be on sale on PS4... Then the updates started to get slower and further between each update and I along with others started to feel like we were being screwed and got forgotten about.... Until recently when you (Tom) came and started to change things for us PS4 users and hopefully it continues to get better... Oh and I understand if some of the lighting updates you did was done quickly to try and improve things for the time being, which has worked, but that's why I made this post because the updates and small improvements that you did shouldn't be the one and only update you do to the lighting/graphics... While they did help and made the game more playable then it was all last year, thers still a long ways to go... Another thing that would be great now that season 8 isn't going to be every month with a new table, is that there is more time to make a whole new version of the game that could compete with FX3 because right now, Zen is leaving Farsight in the dust and a lot of us are slowly starting to play FX3 much more than PBA, at least on consoles (PS4 and XB1)... But yeah, thanks again, I better stop or I'll start going on and on again... Maybe Williams/Bally will come back after they see you all making improvements... There's got to be a reason they didn't want to renew, especially when they are making money for tables that's not even being made or produced anymore... Unless they have seen the disgruntled fan base and seen the huge improvements and praises Zen has gotten with FX3 and maybe looking to ride that wave with them... i know I would.. Thanks, Jake [/QUOTE]
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