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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 1352" data-attributes="member: 134">So first off, Whitewater is one of those tables I'm dying to play in real life.  I don't know what it is about that table, but I really really wanna have a go at it.As for passing between flippers in Zen, I can't do it!  With the Williams collection, I saw a what I was supposed to do, tried it, and was successful.  Went and did the exact same thing in Zen and the ball didn't even come close to doing the same thing!  But I wonder how much that has to do with physics as opposed to table layout.  Cause let's face it, there is a flow to the real tables, even the crowded ones, that Zen just hasn't achieved.  That's actually not a dig at Zen tables, just that I play them differently than PHOF.  For instance, the Wolverine table is a fairly standard layout, with only the hand ninjas being fantastical on the actual playfield.  Hitting that middle ramp though is a true chore (for me), cause it's threading the needle.  I hit that shot more out of dumb luck than actual skill.  Compare that to hitting the gangway shot in Funhouse, where you're shooting through 3 bumpers.  I've figured out the timing with that shot, and can hit it with either a caught ball or rolling ball.  There is an actual rhythm to it, that is achievable over and over.So is that the physics, or the layout?</blockquote>

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