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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 289074" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>Just because there are fantasy elements on a table doesn't mean the flipper and rubber physics can't be realistic. The ball spin and friction with the surface can also be integrated despite fantasy elements. More to the point, Zen was able to place fantasy elements on the Williams tables without ruining anything.</p><p></p><p>I keep bringing up the Aliens table, or even Alien: Isolation as tables that could be replicated in the real world, just without the character animations. The Wolverine table is another example, where most of the components on the table are based on real mechanics. But then even tables with virtual ramps, like Infinity Gauntlet or Portal, it doesn't matter in a digital creation if it's supposed to look like it's an invisible ramp, it simply acts as a real one. </p><p></p><p>There are some tables, like Earth Defense, where the physics of a ball traveling all the wire trails probably couldn't happen if real physics were in place, but you just pretend there's accelerator magnets (like in The Getaway's supercharger) that are moving the ball along and call it a day. And similar to how some of the shots in Williams don't quite work as designed with the easier Zen physics, the opposite could be true with real physics making certain shots no longer work with Zen originals. That's where tweaking would need to take place. I can tell you this, Deep really wants to do this. He even said the next Zen originals are being designed with the dual physics model that all the Williams tables are currently getting. Zen just needs to see that there is monetary justification in going back and spending man hours adding the WMS physics to older Zen tables, as they have no intention of making us have to re-purchase such an upgrade. They had a large influx of downloads of the FX3 platform with the introduction of the Williams tables, which translates to a large audience who has yet to purchase the last 8 years of tables. It's practically free money other than the new development cost.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 289074, member: 134"] Just because there are fantasy elements on a table doesn't mean the flipper and rubber physics can't be realistic. The ball spin and friction with the surface can also be integrated despite fantasy elements. More to the point, Zen was able to place fantasy elements on the Williams tables without ruining anything. I keep bringing up the Aliens table, or even Alien: Isolation as tables that could be replicated in the real world, just without the character animations. The Wolverine table is another example, where most of the components on the table are based on real mechanics. But then even tables with virtual ramps, like Infinity Gauntlet or Portal, it doesn't matter in a digital creation if it's supposed to look like it's an invisible ramp, it simply acts as a real one. There are some tables, like Earth Defense, where the physics of a ball traveling all the wire trails probably couldn't happen if real physics were in place, but you just pretend there's accelerator magnets (like in The Getaway's supercharger) that are moving the ball along and call it a day. And similar to how some of the shots in Williams don't quite work as designed with the easier Zen physics, the opposite could be true with real physics making certain shots no longer work with Zen originals. That's where tweaking would need to take place. I can tell you this, Deep really wants to do this. He even said the next Zen originals are being designed with the dual physics model that all the Williams tables are currently getting. Zen just needs to see that there is monetary justification in going back and spending man hours adding the WMS physics to older Zen tables, as they have no intention of making us have to re-purchase such an upgrade. They had a large influx of downloads of the FX3 platform with the introduction of the Williams tables, which translates to a large audience who has yet to purchase the last 8 years of tables. It's practically free money other than the new development cost. [/QUOTE]
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