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<blockquote data-quote="DooMStalK" data-source="post: 17581" data-attributes="member: 767"><p>I've been reading this thread and besides I don't have the lag issue, I'm trying to figure out what may cause it.</p><p></p><p>I have some friends who experience lag in other games besides TPA, and all of them basically had the same cause, and are based on what shutyertrap said, the TV/wiring setup.</p><p></p><p>What happens is that the majority of people have their consoles connected with cheap HDMI/component/composite cables combined with LCD or LCD/LED (every "LED" TV is a LCD TV that just has LED backlight instead of CCFLs that "normal" LCD TVs have, but, all of them are essentially LCD screens). I know most of you know it, but many people believe it is a different technology, when it isn't.</p><p></p><p>That being said, LCD technology struggles with high refresh rate demanding content. Over the years, it has been improved though from 60Hz to 120Hz, 240Hz and 480Hz, but in "tricky" ways, the end result is that motion looks kitschy, plastic, cardboard cutout look that is very unappealing in most screens.</p><p></p><p>It all comes down to something called response time, just as a comparision, plasma response time is virtually instantaneous because plasma is fundamentally electronic. LCD response time is a serious issue and is not instantaneous because LCD switching is mechanical in nature - liquid crystal must physically bend for the color to change and this can never be instantaneous. </p><p></p><p>I'm not here trying to say go buy a plasma tv neither saying LCD/LED is inferior, just trying to give some insight from a technology point of view and what it matters in lag issues. Today most LCD/LED manufacturers got rid of most response time problems especially models from 240Hz and up, but not all of them unfortunatelly. When OLED and other new technologies for bigger screens become affordable, all this problems wil be gone.</p><p></p><p>So if you have a LCD/LED TV, there are good chances it suffers from response time, because most of them do. Cabling is also essential, especially HDMI were most cheap ones will introduce interferance or other problems ending with bad experience.</p><p></p><p>I have a Panasonic P50-VT20B Plasma TV connected with a Monster Cable M2000 HDMI 1.4 compliant cable to my PS3, and I have ZERO lag on the flippers.</p><p></p><p>As I said in the beginning, my friends who had lag in other games (FPS games at the time), they tested their consoles with my TV and all lag was gone, perhaps it might happen with TPA as well???</p><p></p><p>For people that have the lag issue, a quick way to compare would be, as shutyertrap said, plug it to a CRT TV (ok, it will look horrible because of low res) or to a Plasma TV and see how it performs.</p><p></p><p>Hope it helps,</p><p></p><p>Cheers!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DooMStalK, post: 17581, member: 767"] I've been reading this thread and besides I don't have the lag issue, I'm trying to figure out what may cause it. I have some friends who experience lag in other games besides TPA, and all of them basically had the same cause, and are based on what shutyertrap said, the TV/wiring setup. What happens is that the majority of people have their consoles connected with cheap HDMI/component/composite cables combined with LCD or LCD/LED (every "LED" TV is a LCD TV that just has LED backlight instead of CCFLs that "normal" LCD TVs have, but, all of them are essentially LCD screens). I know most of you know it, but many people believe it is a different technology, when it isn't. That being said, LCD technology struggles with high refresh rate demanding content. Over the years, it has been improved though from 60Hz to 120Hz, 240Hz and 480Hz, but in "tricky" ways, the end result is that motion looks kitschy, plastic, cardboard cutout look that is very unappealing in most screens. It all comes down to something called response time, just as a comparision, plasma response time is virtually instantaneous because plasma is fundamentally electronic. LCD response time is a serious issue and is not instantaneous because LCD switching is mechanical in nature - liquid crystal must physically bend for the color to change and this can never be instantaneous. I'm not here trying to say go buy a plasma tv neither saying LCD/LED is inferior, just trying to give some insight from a technology point of view and what it matters in lag issues. Today most LCD/LED manufacturers got rid of most response time problems especially models from 240Hz and up, but not all of them unfortunatelly. When OLED and other new technologies for bigger screens become affordable, all this problems wil be gone. So if you have a LCD/LED TV, there are good chances it suffers from response time, because most of them do. Cabling is also essential, especially HDMI were most cheap ones will introduce interferance or other problems ending with bad experience. I have a Panasonic P50-VT20B Plasma TV connected with a Monster Cable M2000 HDMI 1.4 compliant cable to my PS3, and I have ZERO lag on the flippers. As I said in the beginning, my friends who had lag in other games (FPS games at the time), they tested their consoles with my TV and all lag was gone, perhaps it might happen with TPA as well??? For people that have the lag issue, a quick way to compare would be, as shutyertrap said, plug it to a CRT TV (ok, it will look horrible because of low res) or to a Plasma TV and see how it performs. Hope it helps, Cheers!! [/QUOTE]
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