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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zmcvay" data-source="post: 289508" data-attributes="member: 4746">I think that got away from the point I was making in the quote, which was that with newer trends in video game, smaller games cost *less* than the norm rather than bigger games costing more than the norm ($60 is the norm still, and that's what a big release will cost), so I don't see how your Avengers analogy applies.  I don't disagree with the analogy, and expecting moviegoers to shell out $30 a ticket would have been financial suicide, but I think there's more to it.Which is... there are financial realities involved in the licencing process.  Zen has more costs with making a Star Wars or Marvel table than they do making Son of Zeus, Wild West Rampage or Castlestorm.  Obviously they expect to make the difference in the increased costs due to licencing by selling more tables due to cross over interest, so the Last Jedi pack and Iron & Steel can cost the same amount.  I think we can all agree on that.   Hopefully something like Indiana Jones could fall under the same umbrella if they could work something out with Disney, or Monster Bash, maybe even Addams Family or the Terminator tables.  But how many of those Williams/Bally titles from the 90's fall under the same rules?  Take the Shadow for example.  The theme isn't likely to be of much crossover interest as the bigger names, will the table be as financially doable without raising the price of the table?  I'm not sure it will, which is likely why Farsight never did it, and I'm not sure Zen would either as raising the price isn't something that would be taken well.  Would you be willing to pay more for a desired table with a more obscure licence?  I probably would, but I don't know that many of Zen's base would agree.  If I'm reading your posts right, your stance is that tables should be the same price regardless of any additional cost in making the table.  I would guess that's how most feel, but it's not entirely realistic, so the most likely outcome is that tables like The Shadow, or Johnny Mneumonic have a lower likelihood of ever being made. I mean, have you noticed how little in the way of licenced video games there even are at this point?  We have sports games still, obviously.  We had Spider-Man last year, a big Star Wars game coming out later this year supposedly, the odd LEGO game, but for big game releases, there wasn't much else out there in the last year or so other than Freemium junk on mobile (I may have forgotten a game or two, but still, compare it to the amount of licenced games coming out 10-15 years ago).  It's just the financial reality now, the licence adds too much in the way of costs, and since they can't realistically sell a licenced game for more than a non-licenced game, they just don't make them.  But if you want to adapt a licenced pinball machine from the 90's, what are your other options?  Raise prices, or hope it will sell more than normal and be prepared to take a loss otherwise. But hey, I love being proven wrong, because I can be a bit cynical at times <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />  Once we see Zen announce some licenced titles we will have a better idea of what's feasible for them.  I'm hoping they can knock that deep catalog out of the park.As a final note, one thing I would have paid more for is if Zen could have licenced the actual music for the Universal pack.  I have a hard time playing any of those tables because all three of those licences are heavily tied into the music.  Doesn't bother me so much for Jurassic Park for some reason, but how do you do Back to the Future or JAWS without the music?</blockquote>

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