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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 289522" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>Wow, somebody is feeling saucy today!</p><p></p><p>Let's play a game of hypotheticals, and I'm gonna be exceedingly generous here...</p><p></p><p>For every 10 Zen customers, I'm going to say 9 are fine with buying in packs of 3. That means Zen earns $90.</p><p></p><p>Your argument is that you want everyone to pay $4 for each individual table, allowing them to pick and choose. Assuming those 9 individuals still want whats in a pack of 3, now Zen earns $108 plus another $4 from the 10th person. </p><p></p><p>You stated that everyone wins. Well at first glance, Zen does win, as they earn more money and please the 10th customer. You the 10th customer win because you got what you want. The 9 individuals clearly lose though, as they were just charged 2 dollars more than what was necessary. </p><p></p><p>Also, Zen in fact does not win. Now they have to have a store entry for every single table, adding a considerable number of SKUs to track. Each store submission on consoles actually costs money, so they are losing out there too. Lastly, it's possible some of those 9 individuals think twice about some tables and choose to not purchase all. All it would take is 4 fewer tables purchased and Zen is back to earning only $90.</p><p></p><p>Now this is a very simplistic example I am giving, and I'd actually argue the number of people in your situation is far fewer than the 10% demonstrated here. The last single table Zen sold was Ant-Man, and that was a few years back. Zen cannot possibly please everyone, so they are going to please the vast majority, which are people who have no problem buying an entire pack. </p><p></p><p>I do laugh that you call me selfish, considering your complaint was specifically tailored to you, and you complained about the memory it was taking up on your Switch. Buy a larger memory card. Do you complain to other game developers too for games taking too much memory?</p><p></p><p>Clearly I do know you are spending less, because you stated you are not purchasing anything since you can't buy individual tables! This is in comparison to the exceedingly large number of people that have downloaded and currently enjoy not just the Williams tables, but all Zen tables. What is your opinion of Zen releasing on the Switch all 19 Star Wars tables in your choice of either a single pack download or physical copy? Will you boycott this too because some of the tables don't interest you? </p><p></p><p>I sleep just fine, as the financial dealings of any game company are not my concern. I do care about whether I'm getting the best deal, and I feel buying in bundles offers me just that. And as a matter of fact, in our latest BlahCade Pinball Podcast I even mentioned how I wasn't thrilled with Volume 4 at first, but my opinion of White Water and Road Show has grown greatly after putting time into them. That's the beauty of a bundle, giving things a chance you might not otherwise. My hatred of Hurricane has only gotten worse unfortunately. </p><p></p><p>As stated in earlier posts of this thread, Zen saves money by bundling tables into packs, thus allowing them to price them economically for all. They paid a VERY large sum of money to secure the Williams license, and they stand to earn a much larger return selling EVERY table than if they sold them one by one. Some tables cost more to develop than others, take more resources, but pool them with the ones that cost less, it all evens out. It's basic business 101. </p><p></p><p>I hope you can appreciate my much longer, detailed, thought out answer that is not in the least selfish but looking out for the group. And for the record, I don't attack differing views, I debate them. The weakness of your argument got bloodied when it fell over with barely a push and hit the ground. The floor is now yours, if you choose to get up off of it, to offer counterpoints. Like what forums and social media sites you are seeing these "tons of players" like yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 289522, member: 134"] Wow, somebody is feeling saucy today! Let's play a game of hypotheticals, and I'm gonna be exceedingly generous here... For every 10 Zen customers, I'm going to say 9 are fine with buying in packs of 3. That means Zen earns $90. Your argument is that you want everyone to pay $4 for each individual table, allowing them to pick and choose. Assuming those 9 individuals still want whats in a pack of 3, now Zen earns $108 plus another $4 from the 10th person. You stated that everyone wins. Well at first glance, Zen does win, as they earn more money and please the 10th customer. You the 10th customer win because you got what you want. The 9 individuals clearly lose though, as they were just charged 2 dollars more than what was necessary. Also, Zen in fact does not win. Now they have to have a store entry for every single table, adding a considerable number of SKUs to track. Each store submission on consoles actually costs money, so they are losing out there too. Lastly, it's possible some of those 9 individuals think twice about some tables and choose to not purchase all. All it would take is 4 fewer tables purchased and Zen is back to earning only $90. Now this is a very simplistic example I am giving, and I'd actually argue the number of people in your situation is far fewer than the 10% demonstrated here. The last single table Zen sold was Ant-Man, and that was a few years back. Zen cannot possibly please everyone, so they are going to please the vast majority, which are people who have no problem buying an entire pack. I do laugh that you call me selfish, considering your complaint was specifically tailored to you, and you complained about the memory it was taking up on your Switch. Buy a larger memory card. Do you complain to other game developers too for games taking too much memory? Clearly I do know you are spending less, because you stated you are not purchasing anything since you can't buy individual tables! This is in comparison to the exceedingly large number of people that have downloaded and currently enjoy not just the Williams tables, but all Zen tables. What is your opinion of Zen releasing on the Switch all 19 Star Wars tables in your choice of either a single pack download or physical copy? Will you boycott this too because some of the tables don't interest you? I sleep just fine, as the financial dealings of any game company are not my concern. I do care about whether I'm getting the best deal, and I feel buying in bundles offers me just that. And as a matter of fact, in our latest BlahCade Pinball Podcast I even mentioned how I wasn't thrilled with Volume 4 at first, but my opinion of White Water and Road Show has grown greatly after putting time into them. That's the beauty of a bundle, giving things a chance you might not otherwise. My hatred of Hurricane has only gotten worse unfortunately. As stated in earlier posts of this thread, Zen saves money by bundling tables into packs, thus allowing them to price them economically for all. They paid a VERY large sum of money to secure the Williams license, and they stand to earn a much larger return selling EVERY table than if they sold them one by one. Some tables cost more to develop than others, take more resources, but pool them with the ones that cost less, it all evens out. It's basic business 101. I hope you can appreciate my much longer, detailed, thought out answer that is not in the least selfish but looking out for the group. And for the record, I don't attack differing views, I debate them. The weakness of your argument got bloodied when it fell over with barely a push and hit the ground. The floor is now yours, if you choose to get up off of it, to offer counterpoints. Like what forums and social media sites you are seeing these "tons of players" like yourself. [/QUOTE]
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