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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Worf" data-source="post: 47800" data-attributes="member: 1047">Well, part of the problem is you need to see its condition AFTER it's shopped. About the only thing that can't be shopped directly would be art damage - backglass, cabinet, playfield - they can be restored though on a good shop job (maybe).But burnt lamps, dirty playfields, sticky things are all supposed to be fixed in a shop. In fact, ask them what kind of shop job they're doing - just a quick "touch me up" or a proper teardown shop where lamps get replaced, wires inspected, full rubber replacement, etc. And if they plan on just cleaning or tearing down the playfield to the wood and doing a full cleaning that way. And maybe they're replacing the electronics with ones that aren't so worn (unlikely). Also they may fix the broken parts on the playfield with replacements (this can be somewhat pricey).After all, $2000 is perfectly reasonable for a full top to bottom rebuild and overhaul (and maybe a few hundred more for artwork touchups) shop - mostly because of the labor. Which may also include redoing the wiring harnesses and such. If they do this, ask if you can have a look at the old harnesses because you want to see the condition - if there are burn marks on the old one, maybe the fault is still there.Heck, maybe they're replacing the coils and all the other wear parts with new ones during their shop.Of course, it's unreasonable if all they're doing is taking the glass off, replacing the balls, and wiping some cleaner around the open parts of the playfield.And yes, you were very good to note the broken playfield parts because it can influence the shop price - getting all that fixed with new replacement parts can easily be $500+ with shipping and all that.So make sure you find out what their shop work entails. And if possible, see what other pins they have that come out of shop to take a look at the quality of the work. You won't see your machine, but you'll get an idea as to how they do their work. If the machines they call shopped still look like there's wear on them, no, it ain't worth $4000. But if it looks brand spanking new like it was just unboxed, OK, there's something there.And ask what comes with the machine - do they still have the manual? Schematics? All the other paperwork and spare parts? This stuff often gets tossed on a shelf and forgotten and lost, and you'll want replacements (originals can be hundred dollars or more with shipping) just to have it complete. If you're lucky, they'll have tossed that extras and manuals right behind the cashbox in the table. But if not, ... well... make sure you knock at least a couple hundred dollars off the price for that! (Yes, I know you can get it for free online, but you want the original.)</blockquote>

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