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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SuperKaladrax" data-source="post: 186481" data-attributes="member: 4168">It's not the general attitude, but I saw that sentiment expressed in one of the threads (maybe this one).  I didn't feel like hunting it down and calling out a specific person over it, I'm not looking to pick any fights, so I just decided to address it in the general sense.My post was also a bit unclear about Genie.  Genie the table sold me on TPA (way back when first released) but the possibility of more EM's is why I've been buying every table, as general support.  It sort of reads like I was conflating Genie and EMs.  Though you are right that I do enjoy, in particular, the throwback gameplay.  Early SS is my era of choice, but EM's are close enough (especially later ones) to near as make no difference to me.  I mostly stump for EM because I think a small fraction of them, compared to the large SS/DMD selection is not too much to ask.  As to the poll data not showing love for EMs, it doesn't show that at all.  It only shows that more people preferred Xenon than any other single table.  We (and Farsight) have no idea how many people who voted for Paragon and Xenon would also buy Fireball.  We can't quantify the crossover, definitely not from those polls.  I voted for an EM first round, and Paragon in the second.  I want Paragon more than Xenon or Fireball - but I would also buy both of those.  And if I'd known it was them or an EM, and that the poll was determining the viability of an EM at all, I would under those circumstances certainly have voted Fireball instead.  So we cannot infer from the data that the poor showing for Fireball indicates anything except that it's less popular than Xenon or Paragon.  That those two might also be SS is also entirely irrelevant.  If we put Fireball up against other contenders, let's say LCA and El Dorado, would we see the same numbers?  I highly doubt it, because SS vs EM wasn't the purpose of the poll.  Similarly, if you put any of those tables in the poll up against Freddy or GNR and I'm voting Freddy or GNR.  Because I'd walk over my gramma to get those.  Doesn't mean I don't want the other tables ever.If Farsight wants to use the poll results to allocate priority of development, but not to take EMs out of contention, I also don't have a problem with that.  Because the results do show that Xenon and Paragon should be made before Fireball.  As regards sale data, does anybody remember what tables Big Shot and Central Park were paired with?  Because I see this one a lot, too, but nobody seems to know how they seem to know it's Big Shot or Central Park bringing the pack down.  Does this mean if Big Shot was paired with, I dunno, Attack From Mars, we'd be swimming in EMs now because the pack sold well?  So without knowing how that's determined (which may be proprietary and never answered), I'm not prepared to accept it on the face of it.  Finally, if Farsight would consider it I don't think a Kickstarter for EMs is a bad idea.  This came up in the past, some people were vocally opposed on the grounds that it's not what KS is for.   I think after Potato Salad, an EM kickstarter definitely can count as valid.  This way they can not only gauge actual interest, they can offset or eliminate any cost risks.  I would totally support the idea of a kickstarter for an EM table pack.  Or even a single table.  It's a million times better than no EM at all, ever.  Give us the chance to put our money where our mouth is.  If we don't pony up, you've lost nothing and we all know the score then.  It's a lot better than the present nebulous state of affairs.Edit:  Central Park was paired with Cactus Canyon and Big Shot with Scared Stiff.  Both of those tables ought to have done okay.  Maybe FS can tell the frequency of play, or high scores submitted, or something.  That might be a little more valid, though I'm still not especially convinced that 2 instances are enough to declare the entire history of EMs dead and buried.  I also know I haven't been submitting scores on my android (I culled all the phone-home parts I could), possibly not on xbox 360 (which doesn't yet have those packs anyway) - so my play history would probably show that I buy pinball tables but hate every single one.  <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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