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<blockquote data-quote="JoshuaKadmon" data-source="post: 30659" data-attributes="member: 1046"><p>I appreciate the comments, and here are my counterpoints:</p><p></p><p>1) The Ultimate 100 isn't so much a "top" list as it is an educated guess at the prioritization of tables that would be viable for reproduction into TPA. There would be no sense in added development on Pinball 2000 tables when few people liked them and even fewer tables used the technology. Revenge from Mars would be the only possibility for TPA, since no one cares much about Star Wars Episode I anyway, and that would be a waste of time on FarSight's part.</p><p></p><p>2) Bobby King himself has expressed interest in pursuing AC/DC and PotC, and both LotR and The Simpsons Pinball Party demand eventual attention as they fall into the Top 10's/20's for practically every major resource list. There have been long multi-thread discussions, both on this forum and others, about the viability of these games and the emulation of SAM for the first two. They may never happen, but I think FarSight will definitely try for all of these.</p><p></p><p>3) In JM's case, it's not about being a top-rated table. I've played it. It's very good. But it holds practically zero current market potential for anyone who doesn't already know it as a great pinball table. If you look at the other licenses that FS has acquired or planned to pursue, they're all either timeless classic brands/franchises or currently active IPs. For licenses like that, FS may be willing to jump through the necessary hoops, but if JM doesn't have much chance to attract new players as well as the old ones, I just don't see it rising high enough on the priority list. Demolition Man is the only similar license I've included in the original 100, and in terms of necessary residuals, even it would be much easier than Johnny Mnemonic. Everything else is much higher profile.</p><p></p><p>4) I'll concede on this one, since yours and others' feedback has already put me on the fence about it. I originally included Monopoly because I thought it was a good table with an easy license, but I never heard anyone voice an opinion about it until I replaced it with Family Guy based on several other user requests. In hindsight, I agree that Family Guy has much less chance of appearing in TPA than the other Sterns listed, so I've re-swapped it with Monopoly. I also think that Monopoly could be one of the earlier Sterns that we get, since FS would need some Stern filler [other than Old 1977-1982 classics] before approaching some of the big-name IPs in their line-up. That's not to suggest that Monopoly is a lame IP, just that it already gets licensed to death with dozens of board game variants and marketing tie-ins, which means it should be a simple grab for FS.</p><p></p><p>5) Street Fighter was a Gottlieb table, and there isn't a single one in the Lower 200 that I would replace with it. Even Hook holds a higher score on IPDB than Street Fighter, with the Pinside rating also being within a tenth of a point and the higher table value going to Hook. There are many personal favorites that I have kept out of the Ultimate 100 because I was trying to be objective, cross-referencing ratings, forum user feedback, FS's release history, table availability, collector cost, licensing difficulty, and a variety of other factors to determine the best candidates. The Lower 200 doesn't have to deal with these factors as much, but because it incorporates all table types, it still only represents the upper 15th percentile of all pinball tables [when combined with the original 100].</p><p></p><p>Last but not least, you said you were concerned about the Gottlieb selection, but unless emulation of their early SS tables continues to cause controversy, I could easily double the number of great Gottlieb machines in the Ultimate 100, as there are MANY I would love to play more than the Stern tables. I'd like to see Haunted House and TX-Sector long before additional licensed tables, and if I were just listing personal favorites, Arena and Cue Ball Wizard would have been in the Ultimate 100. But again, I was trying to keep things balanced and objective since we hope FarSight will continue doing the same. In the end, I've swapped out Monopoly, nonetheless, and hopefully you can understand my logic and all of the factors I accounted for in the list.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and yes, WHO dunnit? is in the Ultimate 100, as I am thoroughly convinced that FS will include it at some point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoshuaKadmon, post: 30659, member: 1046"] I appreciate the comments, and here are my counterpoints: 1) The Ultimate 100 isn't so much a "top" list as it is an educated guess at the prioritization of tables that would be viable for reproduction into TPA. There would be no sense in added development on Pinball 2000 tables when few people liked them and even fewer tables used the technology. Revenge from Mars would be the only possibility for TPA, since no one cares much about Star Wars Episode I anyway, and that would be a waste of time on FarSight's part. 2) Bobby King himself has expressed interest in pursuing AC/DC and PotC, and both LotR and The Simpsons Pinball Party demand eventual attention as they fall into the Top 10's/20's for practically every major resource list. There have been long multi-thread discussions, both on this forum and others, about the viability of these games and the emulation of SAM for the first two. They may never happen, but I think FarSight will definitely try for all of these. 3) In JM's case, it's not about being a top-rated table. I've played it. It's very good. But it holds practically zero current market potential for anyone who doesn't already know it as a great pinball table. If you look at the other licenses that FS has acquired or planned to pursue, they're all either timeless classic brands/franchises or currently active IPs. For licenses like that, FS may be willing to jump through the necessary hoops, but if JM doesn't have much chance to attract new players as well as the old ones, I just don't see it rising high enough on the priority list. Demolition Man is the only similar license I've included in the original 100, and in terms of necessary residuals, even it would be much easier than Johnny Mnemonic. Everything else is much higher profile. 4) I'll concede on this one, since yours and others' feedback has already put me on the fence about it. I originally included Monopoly because I thought it was a good table with an easy license, but I never heard anyone voice an opinion about it until I replaced it with Family Guy based on several other user requests. In hindsight, I agree that Family Guy has much less chance of appearing in TPA than the other Sterns listed, so I've re-swapped it with Monopoly. I also think that Monopoly could be one of the earlier Sterns that we get, since FS would need some Stern filler [other than Old 1977-1982 classics] before approaching some of the big-name IPs in their line-up. That's not to suggest that Monopoly is a lame IP, just that it already gets licensed to death with dozens of board game variants and marketing tie-ins, which means it should be a simple grab for FS. 5) Street Fighter was a Gottlieb table, and there isn't a single one in the Lower 200 that I would replace with it. Even Hook holds a higher score on IPDB than Street Fighter, with the Pinside rating also being within a tenth of a point and the higher table value going to Hook. There are many personal favorites that I have kept out of the Ultimate 100 because I was trying to be objective, cross-referencing ratings, forum user feedback, FS's release history, table availability, collector cost, licensing difficulty, and a variety of other factors to determine the best candidates. The Lower 200 doesn't have to deal with these factors as much, but because it incorporates all table types, it still only represents the upper 15th percentile of all pinball tables [when combined with the original 100]. Last but not least, you said you were concerned about the Gottlieb selection, but unless emulation of their early SS tables continues to cause controversy, I could easily double the number of great Gottlieb machines in the Ultimate 100, as there are MANY I would love to play more than the Stern tables. I'd like to see Haunted House and TX-Sector long before additional licensed tables, and if I were just listing personal favorites, Arena and Cue Ball Wizard would have been in the Ultimate 100. But again, I was trying to keep things balanced and objective since we hope FarSight will continue doing the same. In the end, I've swapped out Monopoly, nonetheless, and hopefully you can understand my logic and all of the factors I accounted for in the list. Oh, and yes, WHO dunnit? is in the Ultimate 100, as I am thoroughly convinced that FS will include it at some point. [/QUOTE]
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