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<blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 276690" data-attributes="member: 134"><p>I was watching Predator the other night and had a hard time accepting it was shot 1.85 cuz epic movies are all 2.35 widescreen, right? But yeah, 4:3 is odd to watch now. I was just working on a Disney kids show 2 seasons ago and while we were shooting 16x9, we had to protect for 4:3. What that means is if we had a group shot of actors, we had to cram them all into the middle of the frame and not have any on the edges as they'd get cut off in 4:3. We asked who is even watching on a 4:3 TV anymore as they haven't been for sale in about a decade? Well part of the answer is people in foreign countries, but even here in the states the East coast feed of Disney channel is 16x9 but the West coast feed is 4:3! Insane. On top of that, you realize quickly that how they shot 4:3 TV back in the day, the choice of lenses, is different from how we do now. In order to fit all that visual information into a square image, how actors and action was framed was different. There were no group shots that framed from the chest up, they shot from the waste up. If you look at ST:TNG you'll see a lot of full body shots when they are on the bridge with everybody, but if you watch something like The Orville (which is about as close to a Trek show as there is today, ignoring Discovery) you'll see the same sort of shot but people are framed from the hips up. That's because they have that extra physical space of the frame to spread people out, meaning they can shoot closer, tighter shots while still getting all the info in.</p><p></p><p>I know, I'm going deep dive into what I do for a living, but it is fascinating as I never worked on a 4:3 show and needed an old timer camera operator to explain to me how they did it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shutyertrap, post: 276690, member: 134"] I was watching Predator the other night and had a hard time accepting it was shot 1.85 cuz epic movies are all 2.35 widescreen, right? But yeah, 4:3 is odd to watch now. I was just working on a Disney kids show 2 seasons ago and while we were shooting 16x9, we had to protect for 4:3. What that means is if we had a group shot of actors, we had to cram them all into the middle of the frame and not have any on the edges as they'd get cut off in 4:3. We asked who is even watching on a 4:3 TV anymore as they haven't been for sale in about a decade? Well part of the answer is people in foreign countries, but even here in the states the East coast feed of Disney channel is 16x9 but the West coast feed is 4:3! Insane. On top of that, you realize quickly that how they shot 4:3 TV back in the day, the choice of lenses, is different from how we do now. In order to fit all that visual information into a square image, how actors and action was framed was different. There were no group shots that framed from the chest up, they shot from the waste up. If you look at ST:TNG you'll see a lot of full body shots when they are on the bridge with everybody, but if you watch something like The Orville (which is about as close to a Trek show as there is today, ignoring Discovery) you'll see the same sort of shot but people are framed from the hips up. That's because they have that extra physical space of the frame to spread people out, meaning they can shoot closer, tighter shots while still getting all the info in. I know, I'm going deep dive into what I do for a living, but it is fascinating as I never worked on a 4:3 show and needed an old timer camera operator to explain to me how they did it. [/QUOTE]
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