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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shutyertrap" data-source="post: 285828" data-attributes="member: 134">So just based on this information, if someone were to start the app today, here's the kind of crazy numbers they'd be up against...With 10 tables available, there are 1700 parts in total needed. 700 just to get all tables to 3 star level so that you can play Pro challenge. The remaining 1000 would be for max upgrade. Even though this isn't how it works, let's pretend once you had all 170 parts for any one table, you no longer got those. This allows for figuring out at the bare minimum what it would take in days to max things out.Since you can only play Basic and Advanced challenges until you've reached 3 stars, the most parts per day you can earn is 16. That means getting all 10 tables to 3 stars is going to take 44 days under the very best of conditions.Once Pro challenge is open, you can now earn a maximum of 29 parts per day. The remaining 1000 parts needed will take 35 days at best.So technically it would take 79 days. Yes that's a grind, but doable.Here's where this all falls apart.A new pack is supposed to release every 6-8 weeks. So say the person downloading doesn't do so until the next release and they have 13 tables to deal with collecting for. It's now going to take 102 days minimum. Except a new pack will drop 42-56 days into that. And oh yeah, there's those pesky coins needed to finish off the upgrades. At best in that 6-8 week time period I can earn 300-400 coins, or just enough to upgrade 3 or 4 tables before another 3 drops.You're shoveling dirt out of the pit, but Zen keeps adding more dirt than you can possibly shovel.I'm well aware this is what Freemium software apps do, they gotta make their money after all. They want to encourage you to buy the currency needed to catch up. The best of them though let you debate what is more valuable, your time or your money, and ideally the choice should be balanced. The way things are going to go with this app, and indeed they are there already, is that your time will NEVER be as valuable as money. Not only will a new person not see the finish line, it keeps moving farther and farther away at a rate that would discourage them from even buying the currency. Worse yet, all my numbers were based on parts having a hard cap, which they don't.The way I see it, Zen needs to put a hard cap on parts, that you stop collecting for a table once you've found 170 parts for it. It should not matter if you upgrade it or not. Next, coins need to increase in drops so that in 6 weeks you could earn 400 coins, and 540 in 8. That would allow for you to always be upgrading 1 more table than what gets added. It'll still be a slow grind, but you'll get there eventually. In the meantime, you'll be watching so many videos that surely Zen will have gotten its money value out of you from that alone. Finally, they need to offer half off sales on in game currency every so often. That way you can speed up your process of collecting if you've simply had enough, without feeling like a sucker for not getting the limited time offer right when you first downloaded the app and didn't know better!As I've said before, I'm actually quite appreciative of the Freemium model, so that I can play without paying at all. I just don't think people should be punished with an impossible task simply because they weren't there at app's launch.</blockquote>

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