Dear FS - HOF points vs game score?

DanBradford

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Hi there. I'm loving TPA and loving the challenge of trying to get my scores up as high as I can, and admit freely that my goals are set by the HOF points - I want to try to get that 1000 points, not easily but I want it to be genuinely possible. So if a table has it's 1000 HOF points set to extremely difficult, I get frustrated. There's no point in an exam where everyone gets an A, but equally there is no point in an exam that nobody has ever got an A for, ever.

So for example the 5M needed to max out BH is at position 408 on the leaderboard, whereas the necessary 4B to max out CC is double what the top player has, and only 7 people have even managed 1B. EATPM: 589 people managed the 35M, DRDUDE: 0 people managed the 600M.

I know this gets moaned about a lot, and no doubt FS has some method in how they decide what score is needed to get 1 HOF point. I was wondering if you could possibly share this?

Is it based on percentages of the highest score achieved by XYZ during period XYZ? Unfortunately that's dependent on how easy or difficult the initial table is. And how buggy.

Could it be possible to make every game's HOF score related to how difficult it is to score points on? So for example 1000 points for the top 10 places, then make everything based on a percentage of the 10th best score? Or even 1000 for #1 only, then 999 for #2 etc ..... and nothing after position #1000?

I just read that BSD will be asking for 8B for the full 1000 points, and my heart sank. I used to own one, and I can assure you that only the Elwins, Sharpes and Kerins' of this world would have any chance of approaching that score on a real table (a multi-multiball jackpot only gets you 30M, and those aren't easy to grab). I bet there aren't too many machines with a GC score above 2-3B or so, so 8B sounds too high.

I've racked my brain and could come up with no better alternative than linking the HOF points award to the score, relative to other players.

Why can't you reset the goalposts for games where the goal was made initially far too difficult? By all means also make the target harder to hit for 'easier' tables that have been aced by more people.

Thoughts? Ideas? Criticisms?

Thank you for reading.
 

pinballchris

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I can agree with you. I mean, for one, they changed Junkyard quickly to a higher score after release, but seems that lowering Dr Dude, CC and Fish Tales (Maybe Whirlwind can be added) wont happen. Along with the issues of tables such as Class of 1812, where scores over 100M do not register HOF points.
 

Tann

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BTW, can someone list the HOF scores for the 3rd season tables, please?

Pinballarcadeplayers.com is no more updated and I used to check the HOF scores here.

Thanks in advance. :)

HOF scores:

Fish Tales :
Black Rose:
Black Knight 2000 :
WHO Dunnit? :
High Speed :
Junk Yard :
Lights... Camera... Action! :
High Roller Casino:
Diner:
Bram Stocker's Dracula:
 

kinggo

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I just read that BSD will be asking for 8B for the full 1000 points, and my heart sank. I used to own one, and I can assure you that only the Elwins, Sharpes and Kerins' of this world would have any chance of approaching that score on a real table (a multi-multiball jackpot only gets you 30M, and those aren't easy to grab). I bet there aren't too many machines with a GC score above 2-3B or so, so 8B sounds too high.
do you want screenshot or you will just trust me? One is almost there.
 

DanBradford

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One is almost there.

What do you mean, is someone already up to almost 8B on BSD in TPA? Then they have made the game far far too easy, and that is not what I am requesting at all.

What I am afraid of is that they now make necessary changes to gameplay, and nobody in future gets these high scores you are getting from playing the beta. I suspect this is how they set the CC goal.

I think what I am requesting is that HOF point targets are not fixed too soon.
 

DanBradford

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This is a link to the UK pinball league high and average scores over the last ten years

http://www.ukpinballleague.co.uk/highaveragescores.php

BSD high score 1.2B by Martin Ayub, who many of you may know as editor of Pinball News website, and UK #1 player since they started keeping count.

Can someone tell me anything similar for the US? A record of what is a high score I mean, per table.
 

kinggo

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What do you mean, is someone already up to almost 8B on BSD in TPA? Then they have made the game far far too easy, and that is not what I am requesting at all.

What I am afraid of is that they now make necessary changes to gameplay, and nobody in future gets these high scores you are getting from playing the beta. I suspect this is how they set the CC goal.

I think what I am requesting is that HOF point targets are not fixed too soon.
yes, if you play on PC. Just like any other table. On android it won't be so easy. Didn't play much yet but never passed 400M. And most of the games are not even 100M. Just like IRL.
 

DanBradford

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BTW, can someone list the HOF scores for the 3rd season tables, please? Pinballarcadeplayers.com is no more updated and I used to check the HOF scores here.Thanks in advance. :)

I think these are the 1000 point scores, but they are based on extrapolating from n=1 (me) so you would do best to average from two or more people for certainty.

FT 8.6B
BR 4.2M
BK2K 75M
W?D can't remember as I aced it. About 30M I think
HS 40M
JY 2B
HRC 10B
LCA 65M
DINER 120M
BSD hopefully not 8B
 
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Bravewall

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I worked my butt off today bringing my JY HOF score up from 15 to 48. Its a lot easier to normally get 48 points in most other tables.
 

Tann

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I think these are the 1000 point scores, but they are based on extrapolating from n=1 (me) so you would do best to average from two or more people for certainty.

Thank you DanBradford (once again, you gave me the missing ones for season 2 too ;) )

We don't have the HOF points on PS3, but it I like the idea to know the scores that it is supposed to reach on a table (although it seems FS has smoked too much stuff for some HOF scores).
 

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