Doesn't Look Like We'll Be Getting Indiana Jones Then :(

[lettuce]

Just noticed a post on the Fish Tales post that Far Sight made on FaceBook and someone asking about Indiana Jones which FS replied with........

'Probably not. Disney tables are pretty far out of reach for us unfortunately.'

This is a real shame, as its one of pinballs greats....so much for FS going after the top 50 pinball tables without this and Addams Family!

 

[superballs]

Yeah shucks...we'll just have to deal with a bunch of other tables. Aren't we cursed

 

[danivempire]

Yes, with Disney buying Indy we can assume it's dead for us...
As long as Disney doesn't buy the Addams family right, we still a small tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny chance of getting it ^^

 

[lettuce]

Odd how come Zen Pinball can get Disney license rights (StarWars) yet FS is unable. I wouldn't have had said Zen would have much more leverage in getting licenses than FS......infact i would say FS is a more well established company after all they have had more retail based games released than Zen, and Zen only ever have released digital download related stuff. So how come FS are unable (or unwilling) to approach Disney on this!?

 

[Tales from the Crypt !!]

Yes this does suck.I really do not understand why they would not or want so much money for the licence .They should be happy that some one wants to resurrect these old tables and get some prophet it is not like they are selling these tables anymore they should be happy to get anything but i thank f.s for doing what they can

 

[Bowflex]

Odd how come Zen Pinball can get Disney license rights (StarWars) yet FS is unable. I wouldn't have had said Zen would have much more leverage in getting licenses than FS......infact i would say FS is a more well established company after all they have had more retail based games released than Zen, and Zen only ever have released digital download related stuff. So how come FS are unable (or unwilling) to approach Disney on this!?

Farsight did approach them and Zen never had to deal with Disney...

Zen was the recipient of several fortuitious events. They got the Marvel license just before Disney bought them. Then they went after Lucas Arts and snagged a licensing deal just before Disney bought that company. I think if you see them produce any other licensed products, you can almost count on Disney buying them! When TPA started, it was mentioned that they were going to try for the Lucas rights. A few months later the disney deal was announced and sometime after that, Farsight mentioned any Disney affiliated tables, including their subsidiary companies would be way expensive and not likely.

 

[dtown8532]

Yea. That's a real pooper but I didn't have much hope for IJ in the first place. Personally, I see FarSight being very limited with any future Kickstarters. Though all three were sucessful, T2 was close. I think, if FarSight can sort out TAF issues, we'll see one for that. Otherwise, I don't see much future for Kickstarter's in TPA. And this is simply based on the top ten list results for premium licensed pins. Other than maybe The Simpsons, I don't know if any of the others are either attainable or worth being attained. And when I say "worth" I simply am seeing it as the monetary return. Not the quality of the table.

 

[Bowflex]

Simpsons, Lotr and dr who would all be worth it. I would love to see several other tables like Johnny mnemonic, Congo and demolition man because they are great tables. Unfortunately horrible licenses and who knows how many would kick in to one of those.

 

[Espy]

Odd how come Zen Pinball can get Disney license rights (StarWars) yet FS is unable. I wouldn't have had said Zen would have much more leverage in getting licenses than FS......infact i would say FS is a more well established company after all they have had more retail based games released than Zen, and Zen only ever have released digital download related stuff. So how come FS are unable (or unwilling) to approach Disney on this!?

I don't have any figures to back this up but I've always been under the impression that ZP is more popular than TPA. ZP has elements that appeal more to video game fans genrally, while TPA is more a pinball enthusiast's game. You can tell the production quality on ZP is much better too. Just compare the menus. Not that I prefer one to the other, I had just assumed that was the case.

 

[Crawley]

Not definitive by any means but at least on Steam you can currently see Pinball FX has over 2x the number of Pinball Arcade players at peak:

http://steamcharts.com/app/238260 (Pinball Arcade)
http://steamcharts.com/app/226980 (Pinball FX)

See how it pans out after a few more months, particularly after the DX11 update.

On consoles I would imagine Pinball FX is the more popular, particularly with the 360 table release issue. No idea how they compare in the mobile space.

 

[vpalmer]

not to mention fact that Zen recently released 2 other non pinball games and pls remind me - what and when was the last of "more retail based games" (not PHoF) released by this "more well established company" ?

 

[Mick Morry]

The way I look at it gang is anything we get we need to be thankful for. So we might not see some 10 top fan favorite tables on TPA due to licensing issues that cannot be over come. Doesn't bother me. I am thankful for all the tables that we did get, and are going to get. You can't ever have it all. You can have most though. We should rejoice in the fact that by the time TPA is finished we will all have most of what we wanted. Everyone needs to stop chasing that white whale. The whale right in front of you now is worth harpooning. Take what you can get, and quit dreaming about what isn't possible. It's counter productive.

We have been told by TPA and Zen Studios that those Disney tables are not happening. Maybe in 10 years there will be change, but for now you have to realize that Disney controls every product and every license they own in the most draconian manner. Disney beats to it's own drummer and they make more money than most countries in the world do. They are about controlling their image, and they do it at a micro management level. Disney's ability to make money far surpasses their need to go after markets to sell their product. Disney is one of the giant companies that makes it's own market--whenever and wherever they wish. It has always been that way. It is what made them what they are today. Industry giants create their own market. They don't wait for one to develop or to fall into one.

Disney will be looking towards getting more license buy outs like what happened with Marvel. My bet is Disney is thinking about other giants they might take over the rights too...such as DC Comics. That is the type of turf Disney is after. Go to their theme parks and you see where Disney's current mind is at. They want every big iconic cartoon character, book character, movie character, super hero, or personality...under their licensing control. Star Wars is just another example. Give them 40 years and they will own Star Trek and Aliens and The Terminator and on and on. They want images and personalities that they can brand to their image. 10 pinball tables can't even be a slightest thought to the machine that runs the Disney empire.

 

[goo_back]

Not definitive by any means but at least on Steam you can currently see Pinball FX has over 2x the number of Pinball Arcade players at peak:

http://steamcharts.com/app/238260 (Pinball Arcade)
http://steamcharts.com/app/226980 (Pinball FX)

See how it pans out after a few more months, particularly after the DX11 update.

On consoles I would imagine Pinball FX is the more popular, particularly with the 360 table release issue. No idea how they compare in the mobile space.

I feel like TPA would have more mobile users. Zen Pinball isn't great on mobile and they are missing a bunch of tables.

Anyways Pinball FX2 came out earlier on Steam and there are a lot of younger users there. Things like Marvel and Star Wars are quite appealing. TPA is more niche, Pinball FX does a better job of appealing to a broad audience.

 

[Baron Rubik]

Zen Pinball isn't great on mobile and they are missing a bunch of tables.

Get a better device would be my advice. I'll grant you the reduced table catalogue, but all new ones going forwards are there.

Zen for mobile is incredibly close to the console version (I have a full set for 360 & Android) and it plays lag free on a N7-2012 (with graphics set on Standard / score pop ups off).

 

[netizen]

Disney will be looking towards getting more license buy outs like what happened with Marvel. My bet is Disney is thinking about other giants they might take over the rights too...such as DC Comics. That is the type of turf Disney is after. Go to their theme parks and you see where Disney's current mind is at. They want every big iconic cartoon character, book character, movie character, super hero, or personality...under their licensing control. Star Wars is just another example. Give them 40 years and they will own Star Trek and Aliens and The Terminator and on and on. They want images and personalities that they can brand to their image. 10 pinball tables can't even be a slightest thought to the machine that runs the Disney empire.

http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi4096173081/

 

[PinballPauly]

I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that we are extremely fortunate to get the tables we have so far and that there are so many great quality tables out there to emulate. I think that as time goes on, more and more die hard pinballers are downloading tables which will bring in money. Do we really need to have TAF or INDY? Sure, the money they will bring in is nice but I would rather see 20-30 less popular but equally fun tables be emulated for the price of 1 or 2 high tier ones. We have years and years of great tables and I really think that most people that have TPA will buy and enjoy 99% of the tables released because it's pinball for gods sake and I can play it ANYWHERE.

 

[Zorgwon]

http://steamcharts.com/app/238260 (Pinball Arcade)
http://steamcharts.com/app/226980 (Pinball FX)

There was that humblebundle sale. You could buy 20 tables for ~nothing. On Android they offer fewer tables (e.g. no MsSplosion and only 6 non-licenses).

 

[MegaDrive (Mark Wyda)]

Simpsons Pinball Party and Lord of the Rings would make fine Kickstarter funded tables, and reach a broader, potentially more mainstream audience that Goo mentioned. Both are actually deeper rule wise than Addams Family or Indiana Jones.

I'd love to see them all but I think it's time to accept facts and move on towards realistic tables, and forget about the ones whose licensing issues cannot be overcome. My 2 cents.

 

[goo_back]

Get a better device would be my advice. I'll grant you the reduced table catalogue, but all new ones going forwards are there.

Zen for mobile is incredibly close to the console version (I have a full set for 360 & Android) and it plays lag free on a N7-2012 (with graphics set on Standard / score pop ups off).

I play on a 2nd gen Nexus 7

 

[Baron Rubik]

I play on a 2nd gen Nexus 7

So what do you mean by "Zen Pinball isn't great on mobile" then? You should be able to play it lag free with all settings on with that device.

It's almost bug free, and nearly console quality yet plays on a phone if needed.

Aside from the reduced catalogue about which nothing can be done due to licencing issues. I don't see what they could do better.
Even the Tegra requirement has been removed.

If you aren't a fan of Zen, then you won't like it on any device, not just mobile.