Post Zaccaria - Future Tables

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The art is sort of 70's cool and doesn't really bother me. I meant the layout looked horrid. Offset flippers, odd bumper placement, just a bunch of strange angles and shots. But it played fun.


Edit - kind of a He-Man meets Land of The Lost thing going on here. The art reminds me of a colorforms play set. Remember those things?

Colorforms, yeah I do. Fabric kind of material, right?
This Atari is colorfull up to a point you need sunglasses, and indeed very 70s. I cannot comment on how it plays, but it looks very inviting!

 

[Snorzel]

Hey Snorzel.
Just to say you did a great work on this thread so far.
Really. A big THANK YOU.

No problem man Im glad someone else is liking it I always enjoy your posts.

 

[Snorzel]

So farsight has the Capcom license but cant recreate the computer am I correct?

 

[Snorzel]

Recel is the name for export Petaco games.

They made 9 different SS layouts 1 widebody called 'The Flipper Game'. I have never seen the swivel target used on
D. Quijote before.

They made 16 different EMs under the Recel banner. 1 is a remake of a Gottlieb Sky Jump. Notable things to me are the mini bagatelle on Sea Scare, the captive ball on Top Racer in a rubber trap around a pop bumper, inlane/outlane gates on Bang Bang / Firey 30's. Just the different ways they use a captive ball, on Criterium it goes to captive holes, Icarus to drop targets and standup targets behind. Also I like the look of the Master Stroke and Jake Mate / Check tables. Loaded with drop targets + the ball crosses the playfield on launch. Turneo / Fair Fight also has the swivel target. I also like the vari-targets like on Fortune/ Lady Luck.

Petaco looks to have made 13 Gottlieb remakes and 7 other EMs not sold under Recel.

Notably on the Gottlieb remakes, Rey De Diamantes is a remake of King of Diamonds that is slightly different and faster supposedly. It was even considered better than its American counterpart on its release by Spanish players and sold tons of units. Look like an awesome one

So if Ask got this one they could do 31 tables 45 if they can swing the Gottlieb remakes. Guess we will get an idea of how that goes by seeing if they can do the Zaccaria remakes

This is all info I gathered on ipdb and other sites. Hope you guys like checking this out

 

[Snorzel]

This is a link to some info on modern pinball manufactures. It covers stuff I had not heard of before.

http://flippermuzeum.hu/en/pinball-history/pinball-manufacturers.html

 

[74-89]

Recel is the name for export Petaco games.

They made 9 different SS layouts 1 widebody called 'The Flipper Game'. I have never seen the swivel target used on
D. Quijote before.

They made 16 different EMs under the Recel banner. 1 is a remake of a Gottlieb Sky Jump. Notable things to me are the mini bagatelle on Sea Scare, the captive ball on Top Racer in a rubber trap around a pop bumper, inlane/outlane gates on Bang Bang / Firey 30's. Just the different ways they use a captive ball, on Criterium it goes to captive holes, Icarus to drop targets and standup targets behind. Also I like the look of the Master Stroke and Jake Mate / Check tables. Loaded with drop targets + the ball crosses the playfield on launch. Turneo / Fair Fight also has the swivel target. I also like the vari-targets like on Fortune/ Lady Luck.

Petaco looks to have made 13 Gottlieb remakes and 7 other EMs not sold under Recel.

Notably on the Gottlieb remakes, Rey De Diamantes is a remake of King of Diamonds that is slightly different and faster supposedly. It was even considered better than its American counterpart on its release by Spanish players and sold tons of units. Look like an awesome 'spaghetti western' pin to me

This company made 8 other really cool SS tables between 1984 and 1986 as Juegos Populares, no reason they couldn't be included.

 

[IGoFirstIndy]

So farsight has the Capcom license but cant recreate the computer am I correct?

correct. not sure if it's just big bang bar, but it's too powerful for mobile apps to handle.

 

[Snorzel]

This company made 8 other really cool SS tables between 1984 and 1986 as Juegos Populares, no reason they couldn't be included.

Yes they do look good. Interesting to see the square pop bumpers.

 

[Snorzel]

correct. not sure if it's just big bang bar, but it's too powerful for mobile apps to handle.

Hopefully they can make it happen one day. All of the Capcom tables seem worthy of digital recreation IMO

 

[Snorzel]

I am going to have a closer look tonight at the rest of the manufacturers and post some about my finding tonight. Lets get this convo going again and do a poll in a few days for fun any pinball makers we have not mentioned yet?

 

[Snorzel]

Its AMAZING how many great pins Farsight has at its disposal. On ipdb 6 tables are listed in the top 300 SS not already taken. Jolly Park by Spinball at 104. Farfalla at 105. Devil Riders at 160. Superman by Atari at 215. Mystery Castle by Alvin G. At 226 and Pistol Poker 272 also A.G.
Pinside ranks only Mystery Castle at 90 of the top 100 SS.

7 EM machines are listed in ipdb top 255. Faces by Sonic at 58. Impacto by Recreativos Franco(Interflip) at 84. Top Speed by Recel at 108. Full by R.F. at 118. Prospector by Sonic at 145. Mars Trek by Sonic at 162. Lady Luck by Recel at 181

Mars Trek ranks 16 and Moon Flight 76 on Pinside.

If anyone is up for it help me post vids of the ones not in this thread yet

 

[Snorzel]

Looking at INDER pinball on ipdb, it looks like they had about 17 EMs and 13 SS that were not clones or repeats.

I like the art on a few of the EMs Hot & Cold looks nice. Interesting Miss Universo had 3 different art layouts. Yale has no pictures. Fifteen has no pictures but a gameplay video is linked.

Of note on the SS tables, Lap By Lap info says it had a unique cpu, might create a unique challenge to recreate. Flip-VI is the same layout as Mundial 90' only with a video head. Looks like a fighting game in the pic. I hate the art on Clown and Atleta tho.

Bushido was the last INDER game in 1993. Mach 2 was designed by Inder, they went out of business, but it was produced by Spinball in 1995.
Jolly Park had 2 sets of flippers, one for playfield magnets. Vernes World is a Widebody, it uses an ascending ballon to capture and release multiball (sounds cool ) the 3 Spinball tables are all DMD.

 

[Snorzel]

On to some French pinball.
Rally around 18 old school EMs 1961-1969. Twist has 2 sets of flippers at the bottom of the playfield and a nasty looking center drain. Bowling Flipper and Landing On Venus both have what apears to be a rotating disc above their center playfield targets. Rally Girl imo looks awesome and appears to have been Rallys most popular game, but it does have automotive manufacturers symbols in the art. The last table made by Rally was Flowers Child only 30 units produced. Apparently, it has 5 thrust magnets that propel the ball up a side lane + 37 star rollovers, as you can guess by the name the artwork is groovy.

Also Playboy and Comics are identical playfields. I posted videos of both up thread but would not have I had known.

I view these EMs differently after playing Circus and Moon Flight on Zaccaria. The lights and rules can make a simple looking playfield really come to life!

 

[Dedpop]

You're on fire today Snorzel !!!

 

[Snorzel]

Juetel was another French pinball company started in 81'. 7 games made, only 1 Excalibur was made. Olympic Games and Apocalypse now may have licensing issues. To me, Papillon and Evolution look nice.

I couldn't track down any 70's French pinball, share with us please if you know any.

 

[Snorzel]

Sorry it took me so long to get back to it nice to know someone's looking

 

[Dedpop]

You can check at Rally (aka Rally Play).
A bit late for me right now. I'll check it tomorrow.

 

[Snorzel]

You can check at Rally (aka Rally Play).
A bit late for me right now. I'll check it tomorrow.

Right on. I will check it out too.

 

[Snorzel]

As mentioned, Bell Games / Nouva Bell was ripoffs/ conversion kits on almost all tables it seems.

Nordamatic had 8 EMs and 1 SS many of the EMs are similar to Bally or Gottlieb EMs. But Atlantis tho. Looks great to me! Stumbled on it the first time looking up Gottlieb's Atlantis.

 

[Snorzel]

Segasa/ Sonic pinball.
Approximately 15 Segasa tables were released. The only one that didnt seem to be a knockoff is Casino Royal video is up page, I like the looks of that one. 21 total tables were produce under the trade name Sonic. 9 SS 12 EM. On ipdb page for Star Flite, it is explained that tables were being made under licence from Williams. This explains why most of the Sagasa tables were knockoffs. Gamatron looks to me alot like Flight 2000. Storm = Williams Flash ( Do want).

Prospector by Sonic is currently on Craigslist. Guy says he will trade straight across for a 1oz gold coin. Good deal?
Obviously they did Star Wars. Faces was supposedly inspired by Williams Grand Prix, but it and Mars Trek do look great along with a few others.

Guess we will get any idea of how the whole Williams parts/ licensing thing can work for ASK based on if we end up with the first 3 Zacs.