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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark W**a" data-source="post: 146061" data-attributes="member: 1196">I disagree, which we just kinda have to leave at that because they don't like Zen "bashing" on this forum.  Which I can understand, keep things positive...Back in 07' way before PinArcade and well before Williams HOF even... I thought it was neat because it was the first.  I played the freebies but I never bought a single table because I thought it was dreadful, unrealistic... in that 8 years they have never once upgraded their physics engine, they were obsoleted by HOF and that's been way obsoleted by Farsight themselves... and you could say well it's Fantasy Pinball so it doesn't have to be, but I think that's making excuses.  Devil Crash on the TurboGraphx 16 and Sega Genesis is a faster playing, meaner and dare I say more realistic game of fantasy pinball and that game is 25 some years old.  In fact I'd recommend anyone looking for seriously awesome fantasy pinball to try out Alien, Devil, and Jakki's Crush games.  Or you can play Zzzzzz Pinball I mean "Zen" Pinball (all pinball involves Zen skill btw, zen gives zen a bad name!).  That's my biggest beef with them.  Yes, Zen is a part of pinball, that state of mind where you're very relaxed and kicking arse... but pinball is supposed to be hard, supposed to kick your ass and be challenging.  Pinball Arcade and the Crush series are like that, you can get into that zen mindframe but it's never a cakewalk.  And Crush games really take the fantasy elements to another level with insane mini games and a truly awesome triple main playfield.  Zen, imo, is wasting soo soo sooo much potential in that area, their mini games are a joke in comparison to the crush series... Again, 25 year old, 16-bit games...This is all just opinion and we'll get shut down if we get into a debate.  At the end of the day it's different genre's, and I respect that some people like it, I'm just not one of them and these are the reasons.  Pinball is niche and the more representation there is (even if imo it's not very good) the better.</blockquote>

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