TO / HH Beta?

[Captain B. Zarre]

No offense, but I'm particularly excited to see the beta of these tables. It feels a little later then usual, and I'm excited to see the emulation!

 

[Rudy]

It only feels a little later than usual because last month the android guy went on holiday and sent us a very early beta before he left. Usuallly the first beta is around the 15th of the month, with a minor revision a few days later and the actual release around the 28th.

 

[mpclemens]

Some of us have been waiting 30 years for HH, though, so the wait is excruciating.

 

[norbert26]

Some of us have been waiting 30 years for HH, though, so the wait is excruciating.

like the time i put the quarter in the pin and went to plunge the ball and seen that the plunger was busted off. that arcade folded shortly after never got another shot at the pin in the real world.

 

[WFurman]

Some of us have been waiting 30 years for HH, though, so the wait is excruciating.

The game was a playable table on Microsoft Pinball Arcade. Furthermore, Microsoft had a score-limited variation of Haunted House for MPA's Trial Version.

 

[Sean DonCarlos]

These would be the first tables with Gottlieb ROM emulation. So there may be a longer internal testing cycle than usual, since the emulation is taking its maiden flight with these tables.

 

[netizen]

Here's to it going well and being easier to implement than expected. This could bring about some back catalogue emulations

 

[vpalmer]

Sean, can you or someone else, please, say: which of current TPA's tables actually have ROM emulation? because in TPA promo materials it is presented the way you can think what all tables have it.

 

[PiN WiZ]

Sean, can you or someone else, please, say: which of current TPA's tables actually have ROM emulation? because in TPA promo materials it is presented the way you can think what all tables have it.

All tables are ROM emulated with the exception of the following 8 tables which are currently scripted :

Big Shot
Black Hole
Black Knight
Central Park
Firepower
Genie
Goin' Nuts
Gorgar

 

[kimkom]

All tables are ROM emulated with the exception of the following 8 tables which are currently scripted :

Big Shot
Black Hole
Black Knight
Central Park
Firepower
Genie
Goin' Nuts
Gorgar

PiN WiZ, I don't understand this from a development point of view. Surely it would be much easier for FarSight to use their ROM emulation tech, rather than continually scripting some of these tables?

 

[PiN WiZ]

PiN WiZ, I don't understand this from a development point of view. Surely it would be much easier for FarSight to use their ROM emulation tech, rather than continually scripting some of these tables?

ROM emulation for the above 8 tables was not in a stable state at the time of their release.

 

[kimkom]

ROM emulation for the above 8 tables was not in a stable state at the time of their release.

Sorry, not meaning to de-rail, but I don't understand this either.

You're saying that ROM emulation is stable for the more complex machines but not for the older ones with far simpler rule-sets and mechanics? I don't get it.

EDIT: Also, some of these releases are very recent, and yet ROM emulation is still an issue?

 

[jaredmorgs]

Sorry, not meaning to de-rail, but I don't understand this either.

You're saying that ROM emulation is stable for the more complex machines but not for the older ones with far simpler rule-sets and mechanics? I don't get it.

EDIT: Also, some of these releases are very recent, and yet ROM emulation is still an issue?

It's not about the complexity of the rule sets or mechanics. It's about correctly emulating the processor chipset.

As I understand it, modern chipsets are easier to orchestrate the timing sync (CPU clock speed) on. Older chipsets run at a very low clock speed compared to late 80's and 90's tables, and thus is what makes it so difficult.

 

[vpalmer]

Also, some of these releases are very recent, and yet ROM emulation is still an issue?

if i have understand Pin Wiz right, it is related to time of release them in PHOF, and they included in TPA without emulation "as is"

 

[kimkom]

As I understand it, modern chipsets are easier to orchestrate the timing sync (CPU clock speed) on. Older chipsets run at a very low clock speed compared to late 80's and 90's tables, and thus is what makes it so difficult.

Ah, that makes sense Jared. Thanks.

Perhaps FarSight are no closer to getting the older chipset emulation working? Why else would they keep investing so much time into scripting these older tables?

 

[netizen]

All tables are ROM emulated with the exception of the following 8 tables which are currently scripted :

Big Shot
Black Hole
Black Knight
Central Park
Firepower
Genie
Goin' Nuts
Gorgar

minus the 2 which are EMulated

 

[Espy]

It would be hard to emulate something with no computer in it after all...

 

[fenderbendr]

Mike just commented this in the PC beta section:

Also Haunted House is Gottlieb System 80, the same chipset as Black Hole. Not promising anything but that could turn out to be an improvement many people have wanted.

 

[mpclemens]

The game was a playable table on Microsoft Pinball Arcade. Furthermore, Microsoft had a score-limited variation of Haunted House for MPA's Trial Version.

I remember. The tablet's a lot easier to tote around than the PC. The Microsoft version is what got me thinking about this table again, but I'd given up hope for seeing it again in playable shape. A virtual table -- scripted or emulated -- is better than no table at all, IMHO.