(An attempt at) The top 40 TPA players from leaderboard scores

[Pinetwig]

Bump! I'd love to see these lists updated once in awhile if it's not too much trouble.

 

[Mark Miwurdz]

Where am I in this list?

 

[vikingerik]

Mark, I suspect you haven't played enough tables to show up highly here. This ranking system heavily rewards playing every table even if the scores are merely adequate, since just reaching the top 50 is worth as much as the difference between #50 and #1.

I'm sliding down the list slightly at present because I haven't bought into season 3 yet. Both because I want to reward Farsight by buying if they ever fix some of the older table bugs, and because I don't really need the productivity drain right now.

 

[invitro]

Here is a new Top 100. Some changes:

- I snagged the data for this ranking this morning (2014-03-21).

- I decided to award points in an exponential-decay way. If R is a player's rank on a table, I gave him 100 * exp(-0.0465 * (R-1)) points for that table. (The "-1" and "-0.0465" are to give 100 points for a #1 score, and 1 point for a #100 score.) I think this is much better way of ranking players, and you will note Tarek O. is now #2 (with a big lead on #3), which is good. The #99 player in this system only has two scores: a #2 and a #9, and I think that's fine, but comments on this are very welcome!

- I am ranking not just the top 100 scores on a table, but the top 500. The exp function means this has negligible effect for scores much lower than #100. But at least you get 0.96 points for a #101 score, and the scoring function is continuous.

- The first column has the change of a player's current rank from that in the last data set I have, which is whenever the 1st post in this thread was made. The previous rank is based on the new scoring method, not the old one, for better comparison. The red/bold highlighting is for praise and motivation for moving up the chart!

- I've added links to player's member page for this website for some players... I am still adding this info to my program.

Have the appropriate amount of fun!

Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
1 (1) 0	vikingerik	2621	37 (36)	39	#1 on MB, #1 on Taxi, #1 on TZ, #1 on AFM
2 (2) 0	Tarek Oberdieck	1749	19 (19)	20	#1 on BH, #1 on FH, #1 on Genie, #1 on DrDude
3 (3) 0	-SVB-	1358	24 (24)	35	#1 on Centaur, #1 on BRose, #2 on ElDor, #3 on BK
4 (5) +1	Sir_Moovenstein	1277	23 (23)	31	#1 on CV, #3 on CP, #3 on Fl2000, #4 on MB
5 (6) +1	Space Tractor	1219	28 (26)	39	#2 on FT, #3 on SpSh, #3 on Pin*Bot, #8 on MM
6 (4) -2	FALCO12-QUEBEC	1214	25 (27)	29	#1 on EatPM, #2 on RBioN, #4 on Centaur, #5 on Fl2000
7 (7) 0	TOUGE_KILLER	1152	27 (25)	36	#2 on DrDude, #2 on Firep, #3 on WWind, #3 on CBW
8 (19) +11	AntonR	1071	30 (21)	39	#1 on NGG, #2 on BK2K, #7 on BoP, #7 on DrDude
9 (8) -1	atoppachar	1036	21 (23)	35	#1 on FT, #3 on BRose, #3 on BK2K, #4 on Taxi
10 (9) -1	www.vpforums.org	1030	16 (16)	16	#1 on STTNG, #3 on AFM, #6 on Genie, #6 on Firep
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
11 (25) +14	invitro	951	30 (16)	42	#3 on FH, #8 on AFM, #10 on FT, #11 on BRose
12 (10) -2	maestroreese	844	31 (33)	42	#3 on DrDude, #8 on SpSh, #14 on Taxi, #15 on Firep
13 (14) +1	pinballchris	838	29 (28)	41	#3 on Co1812, #4 on ElDor, #5 on CBW, #11 on HD3E
14 (13) -1	Howling_Goro	803	11 (11)	20	#2 on STTNG, #2 on Centaur, #2 on T2, #4 on TZ
15 (12) -3	Crusty Booger	780	28 (30)	42	#4 on Co1812, #5 on TeedOff, #6 on SpSh, #8 on Victory
16 (11) -5	dylan_h	757	28 (27)	41	#4 on DrDude, #6 on Co1812, #7 on TeedOff, #8 on BRose
17 (16) -1	geohoo	722	23 (21)	35	#6 on CC, #6 on WWind, #9 on FT, #10 on FH
18 (17) -1	HUFMUF	662	16 (16)	24	#1 on HD3E, #1 on TeedOff, #2 on CBW, #7 on TZ
19 (15) -4	TRLBrony	649	22 (22)	34	#2 on Co1812, #8 on Fl2000, #11 on FT, #12 on CBW
20 (20) 0	pinballwiz45b	623	17 (17)	30	#6 on FT, #7 on Co1812, #7 on Victory, #9 on BRose
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
21 (18) -3	djchrille	565	13 (13)	24	#5 on T2, #5 on Victory, #8 on HD3E, #11 on HH
22 (21) -1	benika7	535	12 (12)	12	#3 on CV, #4 on CC, #5 on MB, #9 on TZ
23 (23) 0	Phreaker47	463	7 (7)	15	#2 on Fl2000, #3 on HH, #5 on Taxi, #6 on BoP
24 (35) +11	phoerber	455	6 (5)	6	#3 on EatPM, #5 on CftBL, #5 on DrDude, #5 on BK2K
25 (22) -3	ostrich2	452	13 (13)	17	#2 on CC, #6 on MB, #7 on HD3E, #8 on NGG
26 (36) +10	Mark_Miwurdz	447	9 (8)	12	#3 on BoP, #7 on FH, #7 on T2, #9 on STTNG
27 (24) -3	Nightmac21	402	19 (21)	36	#10 on TeedOff, #18 on CV, #19 on HD3E, #22 on CBW
28 (50) +22	chk	400	13 (12)	30	#5 on BRose, #10 on Fl2000, #12 on FH, #13 on BK2K
29 (26) -3	DeeEff	399	14 (17)	39	#13 on WWind, #15 on Centaur, #18 on FH, #19 on CC
30 (27) -3	moldygoat	382	11 (11)	23	#5 on CP, #8 on FT, #12 on WWater, #12 on WWind
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
31 (29) -2	CheesyBeefy88	377	17 (18)	32	#8 on BigShot, #13 on SpSh, #15 on CP, #18 on GoinNuts
32 (32) 0	PinHead970	377	7 (8)	10	#1 on WWind, #4 on STTNG, #6 on TZ, #17 on EatPM
33 (34) +1	Lupo23	371	5 (5)	6	#1 on CentPark, #2 on BK, #5 on Gorgar, #12 on GoinNuts
34 (48) +14	Just this guy	368	15 (13)	23	#4 on BRose, #14 on SS, #19 on AFM, #26 on TZ
35 (28) -7	PieCES	364	19 (19)	30	#10 on DrDude, #11 on Firep, #14 on BH, #26 on CV
36 (33) -3	ParallaxScroll	361	11 (11)	21	#13 on MM, #16 on CV, #19 on Gorgar, #19 on BigShot
37 (30) -7	Tripple I	359	16 (19)	34	#14 on WWind, #15 on CC, #17 on BRose, #21 on Centaur
38 (42) +4	Toolinit	358	14 (10)	31	#8 on TeedOff, #10 on Victory, #14 on Genie, #28 on SS
39 (31) -8	gooche77	350	13 (14)	27	#8 on Genie, #12 on FT, #22 on Firep, #23 on ElDor
40 (51) +11	Nemesis041	349	14 (13)	23	#6 on BK2K, #11 on WWater, #20 on BRose, #22 on FT
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
41 (40) -1	banane32	343	4 (4)	4	#2 on NGG, #3 on MM, #3 on MB, #10 on SS
42 (49) +7	Jake Alt	341	9 (6)	29	#2 on BRose, #4 on BK2K, #20 on CV, #21 on FT
43 (37) -6	efbelo	332	8 (8)	17	#8 on CBW, #9 on MB, #10 on T2, #14 on Centaur
44 (128) +84	Ender	326	4 (2)	9	#1 on Victory, #3 on BH, #5 on Firep, #15 on CentPark
45 (41) -4	tuomas	325	11 (12)	21	#5 on AFM, #18 on SpSh, #23 on Firep, #23 on HH
46 (39) -7	Roy Wils	323	11 (11)	16	#11 on CV, #13 on FH, #16 on HD3E, #22 on AFM
47 (43) -4	RIZ420_420_1	320	10 (10)	16	#5 on WWater, #9 on Pin*Bot, #18 on CP, #20 on CC
48 (44) -4	Chopin6868	317	12 (9)	21	#2 on WWind, #8 on Pin*Bot, #13 on HH, #19 on BoP
49 (38) -11	ChristofferB	310	19 (20)	36	#8 on GoinNuts, #20 on TeedOff, #22 on Genie, #23 on CBW
50 (46) -4	LordEngi	309	12 (13)	27	#9 on HH, #11 on CBW, #19 on GoinNuts, #24 on Firep
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
51 (47) -4	II-Squid-II	303	7 (7)	13	#1 on RBioN, #11 on BoP, #13 on CV, #17 on MB
52 (56) +4	MT	296	18 (17)	35	#12 on TeedOff, #19 on Firep, #20 on WWater, #28 on FH
53 (62) +9	Lordbobby	292	11 (8)	22	#8 on Co1812, #16 on SpSh, #24 on GoinNuts, #24 on CBW
54 (53) -1	siemas12345	280	8 (7)	17	#2 on SS, #9 on T2, #12 on HH, #34 on CC
55 (318) +263	vpalmer	277	12 (2)	24	#6 on Centaur, #10 on Genie, #13 on ElDor, #32 on CP
56 (55) -1	kovalev1985	271	9 (9)	18	#2 on CV, #7 on Taxi, #25 on Centaur, #27 on SpSh
57 (54) -3	tiotbellot	271	8 (8)	19	#9 on TeedOff, #15 on HH, #21 on WWind, #22 on T2
58 (58) 0	sneeking	264	10 (10)	17	#8 on Centaur, #9 on SpSh, #15 on Pin*Bot, #27 on Genie
59 (61) +2	rockman_x_2002	262	10 (10)	30	#5 on GoinNuts, #14 on Fl2000, #26 on Firep, #29 on Pin*Bot
60 (57) -3	olivierarmy	250	11 (11)	13	#12 on CC, #15 on MB, #17 on CP, #26 on BRose
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
61 (59) -2	ER777	248	9 (10)	32	#3 on ElDor, #13 on CP, #18 on Genie, #21 on Victory
62 (52) -10	slam23	243	13 (13)	34	#14 on ElDor, #17 on FT, #28 on Victory, #29 on MM
63 (63) 0	kefran22	239	8 (9)	15	#13 on Genie, #13 on Firep, #21 on CftBL, #23 on CV
64 (64) 0	Mark_Miwurdz_US	236	6 (6)	7	#10 on STTNG, #14 on TeedOff, #16 on T2, #17 on FH
65 (45) -20	Daniel Rone	235	7 (8)	10	#5 on CV, #14 on BigShot, #26 on ToM, #28 on Firep
66 (66) 0	Actionball	227	6 (6)	8	#8 on CftBL, #13 on Gorgar, #15 on Taxi, #23 on ToM
67 (71) +4	pootV3	220	3 (3)	10	#2 on HD3E, #6 on STTNG, #18 on MB, #137 on TZ
68 (67) -1	WIP	214	8 (8)	11	#8 on MB, #12 on AFM, #21 on CP, #32 on FH
69 (65) -4	nikostos44	213	12 (13)	25	#3 on GoinNuts, #15 on Victory, #34 on SpSh, #46 on BoP
70 (73) +3	ThePinbugArcade	213	3 (3)	4	#3 on Firep, #8 on Gorgar, #16 on CentPark, #166 on RBioN
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
71 (68) -3	OmegaDef	212	7 (7)	14	#1 on CftBL, #19 on Genie, #25 on CP, #28 on MM
72 (70) -2	Nelis Bakker	209	4 (4)	5	#3 on WWater, #12 on TZ, #20 on BoP, #39 on SS
73 (74) +1	CentralScrutnizr	207	4 (4)	15	#4 on FT, #7 on BRose, #19 on Pin*Bot, #88 on T2
74 (69) -5	Jazza	206	12 (12)	37	#10 on Firep, #18 on CBW, #27 on NGG, #34 on FT
75 (86) +11	krazysteve1958	204	5 (3)	15	#2 on FH, #4 on CBW, #41 on BRose, #71 on FT
76 (79) +3	victorstulemeije	200	16 (13)	30	#10 on HD3E, #23 on TeedOff, #30 on Victory, #39 on CV
77 (60) -17	ALOL997	194	8 (9)	17	#9 on CV, #22 on EatPM, #25 on Gorgar, #29 on ToM
78 (126) +48	Caps_Lock420	194	12 (10)	25	#17 on WWind, #23 on BigShot, #31 on Centaur, #36 on T2
79 (80) +1	nuclearkevin	191	3 (3)	4	#3 on TZ, #8 on STTNG, #28 on T2, #165 on BoP
80 (82) +2	evilryu007	191	5 (5)	17	#8 on T2, #14 on CV, #16 on WWater, #46 on SS
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
81 (76) -5	harry82988	189	8 (9)	19	#4 on CP, #26 on CC, #27 on TeedOff, #42 on HD3E
82 (77) -5	wfusdfcfdedeji83	188	4 (4)	6	#9 on AFM, #11 on MB, #15 on HD3E, #67 on RBioN
83 (90) +7	bobo	186	2 (2)	3	#2 on BH, #3 on Gorgar, #359 on Firep
84 (88) +4	roma	185	3 (3)	3	#3 on Genie, #4 on BH, #56 on EatPM
85 (81) -4	redflame2013	185	4 (4)	5	#6 on BH, #6 on Taxi, #30 on BigShot, #96 on BK
86 (85) -1	autoteo78	185	4 (5)	9	#9 on HD3E, #16 on TZ, #21 on MB, #30 on SS
87 (78) -9	yoshida758do	185	8 (7)	13	#16 on CC, #19 on WWater, #20 on SS, #30 on EatPM
88 (72) -16	xNiCeGuYx	180	11 (11)	28	#17 on Centaur, #17 on BK2K, #23 on GoinNuts, #42 on T2
89 (84) -5	Zoop25	180	9 (9)	29	#10 on Co1812, #26 on CP, #27 on GoinNuts, #37 on Genie
90 (127) +37	cnccola	180	6 (6)	8	#11 on Taxi, #11 on EatPM, #25 on FH, #50 on NGG
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
91 (120) +29	Crazy Newt	176	13 (12)	27	#23 on BRose, #26 on AFM, #35 on Pin*Bot, #42 on MM
92 (95) +3	bach211i	176	2 (3)	3	#1 on GoinNuts, #7 on Fl2000, #107 on BH
93 (89) -4	GameStomperBD	175	4 (4)	6	#5 on CentPark, #10 on CC, #31 on BigShot, #96 on BH
94 (75) -19	switch3flip	174	5 (6)	16	#4 on Victory, #15 on FT, #37 on CP, #43 on BK2K
95 (105) +10	kan	173	11 (10)	29	#20 on Co1812, #25 on BK2K, #26 on Fl2000, #33 on Taxi
96 (83) -13	erwanggp	173	6 (7)	12	#13 on Taxi, #18 on TZ, #21 on SS, #34 on STTNG
97 (100) +3	torstenkuchenbae	172	12 (11)	30	#21 on DrDude, #21 on WWater, #32 on Fl2000, #33 on HH
98 (87) -11	PrimeroIncognito	168	10 (10)	22	#8 on CP, #20 on Genie, #39 on GoinNuts, #50 on HD3E
99 (--) *	YouT ldepuradorl	164	2 (--)	2	#2 on Pin*Bot, #9 on Co1812
100 (98) -2	Russell Bergman	164	3 (3)	3	#3 on CentPark, #9 on Firep, #69 on Pin*Bot

 

[invitro]

This ranking system heavily rewards playing every table even if the scores are merely adequate, since just reaching the top 50 is worth as much as the difference between #50 and #1.

I've changed and hopefully improved the ranking system (your feedback welcome!). Mr. Miwurdz is #26 (up 10 with a bullet!) in the new system.

 

[vikingerik]

Nice work, yes I like the exponential decay approach (and not just because it makes me look good!)

A refinement could be to consider only a certain amount of rankings for each player, rather than the entire population of available tables. Like take each player's 20 highest rankings, or maybe keep it as half of however many tables have been released. This would help boost players who are certainly very good but for whatever reason just haven't played many of the tables, like nuclearkevin who obviously knows his stuff by ranking #3 on TZ but hasn't played many others. (Partially because he's a PS3 player which is far behind on table releases.) This is going to rank Tarek O above me, of course, but he really is better. I'm on top mostly because I've taken the time to grind out scores on less popular tables like Victory and 1812 that other players just skip.

This is essentially how rankings for some individual pro sports work, like golf and tennis. They rank based on a player's 14 best results from the previous calendar year, so they're not penalized by skipping some events or for occasional injuries.

 

[vpalmer]

lol i'm a "breakthrough of a season" with that +263 and i just started playing for scores XD

PS: but, invitro, i'm something like 8th on Who Dunnit too! =)
good job, but i think we must have this kind of overall rating incapsulated in the tpa itself

so invitro are you gather scores data from tpa site with program or by hands?

 

[thejake01]

Hello! I just started tracking not that long ago and thought, wth i'll share , currently around 845

Name Rank
Black Rose 2 10.9b
Black Knight 2000 4 90m
Fish Tales 20 992m
Cirqus Volatire 20 437m
Cue Ball Wizard 28 2.1b
Goin' Nuts 35 6.9m
El Dorado 43 2.8m
Class of 1812 51 71m
Big Shot 125 346k
Haunted House 130 1.7m
Funhouse 143 117m
Twilight Zone 167 7.9b
No Good Gophers 176 257m
White Water 186 2.6b
Victory 205 35m
Harley Davidson 224 684m
Scared Stiff 240 464m
Terminator 2 277 602m
Pinbot 302 13.5m
Tee'd Off 320 1.9m
Tales of the Arabian Nights 328 1.4b (wth?)
Attack From Mars 332 84b
Champion Pub 353 224m
Medieval Madness 354 524m
Cactus Canyon 389 188m
Ripley's Believe It or Not 427 284m
Creature From The Black Lagoon 453 2.7b
Central Park 494 5.8k
Dr Dude 525 36m
Monster Bash 525 1.6b
Whirlwind 536 37m
Black Knight 562 3.7m
Firepower 892 938k
Flight 2000 1009 3.1m
Space Shuttle 1066 3.1m
Genie 1144 860k
Star Trek 60 39.8b
Taxi 2253 9.9m
Gorgar 2403 756k
Black Hole 2407 1.5m
Theatre of Magic 2667 4.5b
Bride of Pinbot 2750 2.1b
Centaur 4417 2.2m
Elvira 9053 11m
WHO Dunnit 3 123.3b

AVERAGE 846.6666667

 

[DanBradford]

Woo 79.

Do I feature in the list anywhere? My current score and username are in my signature, I'm currently about 2000 points / 20 places ahead of Carl on the scoreboard but I can't see me in there yet.

 

[invitro]

Like take each player's 20 highest rankings,

I will strongly consider this. I will probably do it, with either 1/2 or 2/3 the number of tables. Thanks for the input.

I am curious now if there are certain tables that are skipped by the top players much more often than others.

 

[invitro]

PS: but, invitro, i'm something like 8th on Who Dunnit too! =)

so invitro are you gather scores data from tpa site with program or by hands?

I made a mistake and didn't update my ranking program to look at WD, oops. I will probably fix that in a bit.

These data (I have the top 500 scores on each table now) came from a program. But my first set of data, from last month, I copied from the leaderboard webpage by hand.

 

[invitro]

Do I feature in the list anywhere? My current score and username are in my signature, I'm currently about 2000 points / 20 places ahead of Carl on the scoreboard but I can't see me in there yet.

You are #1291, with 7 points. This is mostly because your highest rank is #80, although you have 18 top 500 scores, which is not too shabby.

 

[Mark Miwurdz]

That's more like it. My recent 13b on Ripley's might help aswell, more so if the glitched scores are ignored. I also advocate just considering a set number of tables. I'm a PS4 player now so my table number is massively limited and will be for months and will always be behind other platforms.

 

[PinballLizard (Mark Wyda)]

Ok so I should have squeezed my way into the top 100 now!

Gamertag: NeonZwei
Stats: Attack From Mars: 2nd Place
Medieval Madness 80th place
Twilight Zone: 50th place

This is just the beginning. I am sure I can go higher, and there's lots of tables I'm very good at on mobile that I haven't even attempted yet on ps4. I'm also really high up in Fish Tales, T2, Black Rose, and Black Knight 2K so, I may be able to squeeze a top 50 finish when it's all said and done

 

[invitro]

Here is a new Top 100. I got the data today (2014-04-18; the previous data is for 2014-03-21). I am still considering these scoring changes:

- To count a max of half the total # of tables, to be more fair to players on platforms that don't have all the tables yet, and to players who dislike a few tables enough to not be willing to play them.
- To change my point formula again, as I think the exp decay may be too severe.

Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
1 (1) 0	vikingerik	2787	28 (26)	38 (37)	39	#1 on MB, #1 on Taxi, #1 on AFM, #1 on T2
2 (6) +4	AntonR	2087	16 (9)	44 (31)	44	#1 on NGG, #1 on Centaur, #1 on WD, #3 on CC
3 (2) -1	Tarek Oberdieck	1736	18 (18)	19 (19)	20	#1 on BH, #1 on FH, #1 on Genie, #1 on DrDude
4 (3) -1	Sir_Moovenstein	1297	13 (13)	25 (23)	31	#1 on CV, #3 on SpSh, #3 on Fl2000, #4 on Genie
5 (5) 0	FALCO12-QUEBEC	1239	11 (11)	26 (25)	30	#1 on EatPM, #3 on RBioN, #4 on Centaur, #5 on Fl2000
6 (7) +1	TOUGE_KILLER	1192	9 (9)	29 (27)	38	#2 on DrDude, #2 on Firep, #3 on WWind, #3 on CBW
7 (4) -3	Space Tractor	1162	5 (7)	28 (28)	40	#3 on Pin*Bot, #3 on FT, #4 on SpSh, #9 on MM
8 (8) 0	atoppachar	1062	8 (8)	22 (22)	37	#1 on FT, #2 on BRose, #4 on Taxi, #4 on GoinNuts
9 (9) 0	www.vpforums.org	1015	10 (11)	16 (16)	16	#1 on STTNG, #3 on AFM, #5 on Genie, #6 on BH
10 (10) 0	invitro	996	3 (4)	31 (31)	43	#3 on FH, #8 on MM, #8 on AFM, #12 on BH
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
11 (18) +7	HUFMUF	897	7 (5)	17 (16)	25	#1 on HD3E, #1 on TeedOff, #1 on Co1812, #2 on TZ
12 (12) 0	maestroreese	889	3 (2)	32 (32)	42	#3 on DrDude, #8 on SpSh, #10 on WWind, #13 on WD
13 (27) +14	Toolinit	856	4 (3)	28 (15)	43	#2 on HD3E, #7 on BRose, #10 on TeedOff, #10 on WD
14 (11) -3	pinballchris	788	3 (3)	28 (30)	42	#4 on ElDor, #5 on CBW, #6 on Co1812, #11 on NGG
15 (13) -2	Howling_Goro	784	8 (8)	11 (11)	20	#2 on STTNG, #2 on Centaur, #2 on T2, #5 on BoP
16 (14) -2	Crusty Booger	775	4 (5)	28 (29)	43	#5 on TeedOff, #7 on SpSh, #7 on Co1812, #9 on Victory
17 (15) -2	dylan_h	736	4 (4)	27 (29)	42	#3 on Co1812, #4 on DrDude, #7 on TeedOff, #9 on BRose
18 (16) -2	geohoo	674	4 (5)	23 (23)	36	#6 on WWind, #7 on CC, #10 on FH, #10 on BK2K
19 (17) -2	TRLBrony	659	2 (2)	25 (23)	36	#5 on Co1812, #9 on Fl2000, #12 on CBW, #14 on BRose
20 (24) +4	Just this guy	620	4 (2)	16 (16)	23	#3 on BRose, #3 on WD, #6 on FT, #9 on HD3E
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
21 (19) -2	pinballwiz45b	585	4 (4)	17 (18)	33	#8 on Victory, #8 on FT, #10 on Co1812, #10 on BRose
22 (23) +1	phoerber	556	6 (5)	8 (6)	8	#1 on BK2K, #3 on EatPM, #5 on CftBL, #5 on DrDude
23 (41) +18	vpalmer	540	4 (3)	16 (13)	26	#6 on SpSh, #7 on Centaur, #9 on Genie, #9 on FT
24 (20) -4	djchrille	538	3 (3)	13 (13)	23	#5 on T2, #6 on Victory, #10 on HD3E, #12 on HH
25 (21) -4	benika7	523	4 (4)	12 (12)	12	#3 on CV, #3 on MB, #5 on CC, #9 on TZ
26 (26) 0	Mark_Miwurdz	495	4 (4)	9 (9)	12	#3 on BoP, #7 on FH, #7 on T2, #10 on STTNG
27 (22) -5	Phreaker47	457	4 (5)	7 (7)	15	#2 on Fl2000, #3 on HH, #5 on Taxi, #6 on BoP
28 (37) +9	PinHead970	436	4 (3)	8 (7)	10	#1 on WWind, #5 on STTNG, #7 on TZ, #8 on Co1812
29 (25) -4	ostrich2	431	4 (4)	13 (13)	17	#2 on CC, #8 on MB, #8 on HD3E, #8 on NGG
30 (28) -2	Jake Alt	406	3 (3)	10 (10)	29	#1 on BRose, #4 on WD, #5 on BK2K, #20 on CV
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
31 (36) +5	moldygoat	398	1 (2)	12 (12)	26	#6 on CP, #12 on WWater, #12 on FT, #13 on WWind
32 (29) -3	chk	390	1 (2)	13 (14)	31	#4 on BRose, #11 on Fl2000, #13 on FH, #13 on BK2K
33 (45) +12	efbelo	377	2 (3)	10 (8)	25	#8 on CBW, #10 on T2, #11 on MB, #14 on CentPark
34 (32) -2	DeeEff	369	0 (0)	14 (14)	40	#14 on WWind, #16 on Centaur, #21 on FH, #21 on CC
35 (31) -4	Nightmac21	366	0 (1)	18 (19)	36	#12 on TeedOff, #18 on CV, #22 on HD3E, #22 on CBW
36 (39) +3	Lupo23	360	3 (3)	5 (5)	6	#1 on CentPark, #2 on BK, #7 on Gorgar, #12 on GoinNuts
37 (33) -4	ChristofferB	357	2 (2)	18 (20)	37	#9 on GoinNuts, #9 on WD, #21 on Genie, #22 on TeedOff
38 (35) -3	CheesyBeefy88	356	1 (1)	18 (17)	32	#10 on BigShot, #13 on SpSh, #16 on CP, #18 on GoinNuts
39 (38) -1	PieCES	349	1 (2)	18 (20)	31	#10 on Firep, #11 on DrDude, #13 on BH, #27 on CV
40 (30) -10	Tripple I	348	0 (0)	16 (17)	35	#15 on WWind, #17 on CC, #19 on BRose, #21 on Centaur
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
41 (59) +18	rockman_x_2002	341	2 (1)	12 (10)	31	#6 on GoinNuts, #6 on HH, #16 on Fl2000, #27 on Firep
42 (40) -2	ParallaxScroll	337	0 (0)	11 (11)	20	#15 on MM, #16 on CV, #20 on Gorgar, #21 on BigShot
43 (34) -9	Nemesis041	336	1 (1)	15 (15)	23	#6 on BK2K, #11 on WWater, #24 on BRose, #26 on SS
44 (44) 0	banane32	335	4 (4)	4 (4)	4	#2 on NGG, #3 on MM, #5 on MB, #10 on SS
45 (47) +2	Ender	326	3 (3)	4 (4)	9	#1 on Victory, #3 on BH, #5 on Firep, #15 on CentPark
46 (50) +4	Chopin6868	326	2 (2)	13 (12)	22	#2 on WWind, #9 on Pin*Bot, #14 on HH, #19 on BoP
47 (46) -1	tuomas	315	1 (1)	11 (11)	20	#5 on AFM, #18 on SpSh, #24 on BH, #24 on Firep
48 (42) -6	gooche77	310	1 (1)	13 (13)	28	#7 on Genie, #22 on FT, #23 on Firep, #25 on ElDor
49 (48) -1	Roy Wils	304	0 (0)	11 (11)	16	#11 on CV, #14 on FH, #19 on HD3E, #24 on AFM
50 (52) +2	II-Squid-II	301	1 (1)	8 (7)	13	#1 on RBioN, #11 on BoP, #13 on CV, #19 on MB
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
51 (49) -2	RIZ420_420_1	300	2 (2)	10 (10)	16	#5 on WWater, #10 on Pin*Bot, #19 on CP, #22 on CC
52 (51) -1	LordEngi	298	1 (1)	12 (12)	27	#10 on HH, #11 on CBW, #19 on GoinNuts, #25 on Firep
53 (61) +8	ER777	288	1 (1)	11 (9)	37	#3 on ElDor, #14 on CP, #17 on Genie, #22 on HH
54 (43) -11	MT	285	0 (0)	18 (19)	39	#14 on TeedOff, #19 on Firep, #21 on WWater, #30 on Fl2000
55 (77) +22	Caps_Lock420	275	1 (0)	12 (12)	26	#2 on ElDor, #19 on WWind, #25 on BigShot, #31 on Centaur
56 (53) -3	Lordbobby	273	0 (1)	10 (11)	22	#11 on Co1812, #16 on SpSh, #24 on Genie, #24 on GoinNuts
57 (54) -3	siemas12345	270	2 (2)	7 (8)	17	#2 on SS, #9 on T2, #13 on HH, #38 on CC
58 (58) 0	kovalev1985	263	2 (2)	9 (9)	18	#2 on CV, #8 on Taxi, #25 on Centaur, #27 on SpSh
59 (56) -3	sneeking	258	2 (2)	10 (10)	17	#9 on SpSh, #9 on Centaur, #15 on Pin*Bot, #26 on Genie
60 (57) -3	tiotbellot	252	0 (1)	8 (8)	19	#11 on TeedOff, #16 on HH, #22 on WWind, #22 on T2
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
61 (--) *	q-145e31b3-US-en	244	2 (--)	4 (--)	4	#1 on BigShot, #3 on Gorgar, #20 on FH, #46 on BK
62 (68) +6	Jazza	243	1 (1)	13 (13)	39	#9 on Firep, #18 on CBW, #27 on HH, #28 on NGG
63 (118) +55	smbaydp	242	2 (0)	9 (5)	38	#8 on Fl2000, #8 on ElDor, #19 on BigShot, #42 on Taxi
64 (63) -1	kefran22	240	0 (0)	8 (8)	15	#12 on Genie, #12 on Firep, #22 on CftBL, #23 on CV
65 (60) -5	olivierarmy	229	0 (0)	12 (12)	14	#14 on CC, #17 on MB, #18 on CP, #30 on BRose
66 (64) -2	Daniel Rone	229	1 (1)	7 (7)	10	#5 on CV, #15 on BigShot, #26 on ToM, #29 on Firep
67 (65) -2	Mark_Miwurdz_US	223	0 (1)	6 (6)	7	#11 on STTNG, #16 on TeedOff, #17 on T2, #18 on FH
68 (66) -2	Actionball	221	1 (1)	6 (6)	8	#9 on CftBL, #14 on Gorgar, #15 on Taxi, #22 on ToM
69 (62) -7	xNiCeGuYx	219	0 (1)	12 (12)	29	#15 on WD, #17 on BK2K, #18 on Centaur, #23 on GoinNuts
70 (87) +17	yoshida758do	215	0 (0)	8 (8)	13	#18 on CC, #18 on WWater, #21 on SS, #21 on FT
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
71 (76) +5	krazysteve1958	213	2 (2)	6 (6)	18	#2 on FH, #4 on CBW, #48 on BRose, #49 on ElDor
72 (71) -1	nikostos44	212	1 (1)	13 (12)	26	#3 on GoinNuts, #17 on Victory, #34 on SpSh, #46 on BoP
73 (69) -4	ThePinbugArcade	209	2 (2)	3 (3)	4	#3 on Firep, #9 on Gorgar, #16 on CentPark, #170 on RBioN
74 (55) -19	slam23	208	0 (0)	14 (14)	34	#17 on ElDor, #26 on FT, #30 on Victory, #32 on MM
75 (75) 0	Nelis Bakker	208	1 (1)	4 (4)	5	#3 on WWater, #12 on TZ, #20 on BoP, #40 on SS
76 (67) -9	pootV3	208	2 (2)	3 (3)	9	#3 on HD3E, #7 on STTNG, #20 on MB, #142 on TZ
77 (73) -4	OmegaDef	207	1 (1)	7 (7)	13	#1 on CftBL, #18 on Genie, #26 on CP, #31 on MM
78 (74) -4	CentralScrutnizr	204	2 (2)	4 (4)	16	#5 on FT, #6 on BRose, #20 on Pin*Bot, #95 on T2
79 (72) -7	WIP	196	1 (1)	8 (8)	10	#10 on MB, #13 on AFM, #22 on CP, #37 on FH
80 (81) +1	evilryu007	187	1 (1)	4 (5)	16	#8 on T2, #14 on CV, #17 on WWater, #48 on SS
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
81 (82) +1	redflame2013	186	2 (2)	3 (4)	5	#5 on BH, #6 on Taxi, #32 on BigShot, #105 on BK
82 (85) +3	switch3flip	186	1 (1)	8 (6)	20	#5 on Victory, #16 on FT, #37 on CP, #46 on BK2K
83 (88) +5	roma	185	2 (2)	3 (3)	3	#3 on Genie, #4 on BH, #57 on EatPM
84 (78) -6	ALOL997	185	1 (1)	7 (8)	17	#9 on CV, #23 on EatPM, #27 on Gorgar, #30 on ToM
85 (80) -5	nuclearkevin	183	2 (2)	3 (3)	4	#4 on TZ, #9 on STTNG, #29 on T2, #168 on BoP
86 (70) -16	victorstulemeije	180	0 (1)	17 (17)	32	#12 on HD3E, #25 on TeedOff, #32 on Victory, #40 on CV
87 (86) -1	bobo	178	2 (2)	2 (2)	3	#2 on BH, #5 on Gorgar, #380 on Firep
88 (84) -4	wfusdfcfdedeji83	178	1 (1)	5 (4)	9	#9 on AFM, #13 on MB, #18 on HD3E, #68 on RBioN
89 (93) +4	bach211i	176	2 (2)	2 (2)	3	#1 on GoinNuts, #7 on Fl2000, #112 on BH
90 (83) -7	harry82988	173	1 (1)	7 (8)	20	#5 on CP, #29 on CC, #29 on TeedOff, #45 on HD3E
Rank (previous) Change	Username	Points	# of Top 10 Scores (previous)	# of Top 100 Scores (previous)	# of Top 500 Scores	Best Scores
91 (97) +6	torstenkuchenbae	172	0 (0)	13 (12)	30	#22 on DrDude, #22 on WWater, #34 on Fl2000, #37 on HH
92 (89) -3	autoteo78	172	0 (1)	4 (4)	9	#11 on HD3E, #16 on TZ, #24 on MB, #31 on SS
93 (108) +15	guitarguru80	171	0 (0)	10 (8)	20	#22 on Gorgar, #23 on HH, #29 on SpSh, #36 on Co1812
94 (90) -4	cnccola	170	0 (1)	6 (6)	7	#11 on Taxi, #11 on EatPM, #29 on FH, #52 on NGG
95 (96) +1	erwanggp	170	0 (0)	6 (6)	12	#13 on Taxi, #18 on TZ, #22 on SS, #35 on STTNG
96 (100) +4	Russell Bergman	167	2 (2)	3 (3)	3	#3 on CentPark, #8 on Firep, #72 on Pin*Bot
97 (94) -3	GameStomperBD	166	1 (2)	4 (4)	6	#5 on CentPark, #12 on CC, #33 on BigShot, #99 on BH
98 (91) -7	Zoop25	166	0 (1)	8 (9)	31	#13 on Co1812, #27 on CP, #27 on GoinNuts, #37 on Genie
99 (79) -20	Krassemackan	163	0 (1)	9 (9)	21	#14 on WD, #20 on Centaur, #29 on STTNG, #47 on WWind
100 (122) +22	dejhank	160	1 (1)	4 (4)	9	#6 on NGG, #18 on Pin*Bot, #36 on Firep, #40 on CC

 

[Pinballwiz45b]

 

[vikingerik]

I approve of this ranking method.

The refinement I'd love to see but not sure how to do correctly is to factor out infinite runs. Like, I can play Funhouse, Bride, T2, TZ indefinitely and so can several other players on several tables. It's silly for us to keep spending 12 hour games knocking each other out of the #1 spots when we all have equally maxed skill. If only there were some way we could call a truce and split the credit, but there probably isn't any good way to assume "infinity" from leaderboard data alone.

 

[invitro]

I approve of this ranking method.

The refinement I'd love to see but not sure how to do correctly is to factor out infinite runs. Like, I can play Funhouse, Bride, T2, TZ indefinitely and so can several other players on several tables. It's silly for us to keep spending 12 hour games knocking each other out of the #1 spots when we all have equally maxed skill. If only there were some way we could call a truce and split the credit, but there probably isn't any good way to assume "infinity" from leaderboard data alone.

I am a little dubious of your claim that several** other players can play these tables for 12 hrs.

Here is the reason: My FH #3 game took me 12 hrs, and my MM #8 game took me 9.5 hrs. And when I play I take very frequent breaks and go very slowly. So if more than five* other people have had a 12 hr FH game, or if more than seven other people have had a 12 hr MM game, they would've had to play even more slowly than me, which seems unlikely to me. Or are you claiming that several people -could- have a 12 hr game, but they quit at like 4 hr? I suppose, but why give those people credit... 12 hr isn't -that- much if it's spread out over several days. I personally don't believe that requiring someone to put in 12 hrs to get credit for a #1 score is torture; I mostly enjoy it. What do you think?

* the #1 and #2 scores, and the three people (like you) that have scores ~999,999,990.
** I suppose I am assuming that "several" means quite a bit more than seven!

What do you think about that? Can you be more precise on how many people you think have had 12 hr games on these machines?

Also, I do not feel that the difference between my playing 12 hr and 6 hr on FH is just stamina. I think it represents a true increase of skill.

I understand wanting to recognize the case when scores are so high that players' skill cannot accurately be compared. I just think that point for FH is higher than 1.2B. Or I may be super specific and think that the the #1 player on FH really did exhibit more skill in his game than I did in mine. But how can I tell... I don't know...

Perhaps the easiest tables should be weighted less than the hardest ones. Well maybe. But I'd want either a consensus on what the easiest/hardest tables are, or some factual evidence. Hmm.

(My flipper finger has had a bad medical problem lately, but I will return soon to try to get some more top tens .)

 

[invitro]

If I set a max-out score on FH, and average the points of scores above that, what score should it be?

 

[fromduc]

I made a 6h game on SS to join the top 20. I didnt played the table for 2 month before that and my best score went from 400m to 2B. I was only on my 2nd ball and was full of EB (4),and evene if i'm not a great player i had the feeling to could play it for infinite if i had taken breaks, but i just decided to let it go because:
1/It was 4 in the morning, including breaks i was playin since 9pm
2/I dont take the risk to have a micro electricity power shut down and lose my score
3/I dont really know if my PS3 would like to turn on infinite
4/Most of pleasure was gone around midnight, with this feeling to not beeing able to lose more balls than EB won if not on purpose; at 2 o clock my only goal was 2B and top 20, surprised my self with feelings i can have at the end of a long day at work, worst of i started to play softer and realised i was kind of happy when i was losing a ball.


I just played this game hard 2 months (january/febrary, like 30h a week) and since march i almost didnt play as it gave me (in addition with real pinball) massive tendinitis and i already got this feeling on SS, TZ and almost on CV, and i'm pretty sure i'm not a super player. So i think u really under estimate the number of players who stop playin after 3h+ games just beacause it's too long. But anyway, i dont see any kind of filter u could use to limit this effect on your ranking. And i know (cause i never post but read really often this forum) u guys already talk about it, but there definitely shold have a proper EB limit for every tables, like HD, even if it's a bad exemple coz this thief is so punitive that u can join top 20 in 1 hour