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[grashopper]

Still seems silly to complain something has bugs in beta form. You can't catch everything and the fans request these things as early as they can get them so they can help.
Even if they came out and said we have no QA team and we want to use fans to help us find bugs and improve the product you would probably find the same people here trying to help.
You act like we are being taken advantage of. I'm sure there are people who would be willing to do even more.
To complain a beta is broken is silly. You just seem to want a finished product earlier than everyone else.

 

[ZenTron]

This Android beta has turned into a near final product released a few days before its uploaded to the Google Play Store to a full pre-release public beta that should only be given to the 51 folks who gave $400+ to the T2 kickstarter. I act like im being taken advantage of because I am. FS should fix these bugs prior to final compatibility public beta that these threads should and used to be about.

I won't pick apart individual members threads because I don't want to attack anyone and be respectful. All Im saying is things have changed significantly for the worse with these Android betas. FS shouldn't release bug filled builds for testing like the July 1. It is embarrassing and a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Bonzo]

Uh.. Kinda everyone but you wants the betas as early as possible. You investing money to be part of the PC beta has nothing to do with the Android beta. I get your point, but have to agree with the baron 100%.

 

[Mad07]

@ Baron 1+

If you don't like a Beta with bugs: Please wait, if the version is in the Google Store available and be happy, that a few user from the board here has found some bugsa nd FS has fix this one, beforeh you will see this one

 

[ZenTron]

1) I think early beta access should only be given to the 51 folks who pledged $400+ for the T2 Kickstarter.
2) I don't think the July 1 build should of been released to either early beta access folks or beta access folks. It was to bug ridden to be released.

Those are my two points.

 

[Bonzo]

They are now releasing alpha's and expecting quality control to be done by their fans without compensation because the fan's don't want to see TPA fail.

If this is a trend FS plans to continue they should make these thread's private, have some fans sign NDA's and have them compensated.

1) I think early beta access should only be given to the 51 folks who pledged $400+ for the T2 Kickstarter.

Um... huh? So which one is it?

 

[Baron Rubik]

Um... huh? So which one is it?

I think this sums it up nicely.

ZenTron - you made a daft statement that goes against most of the opinions of the guys who test here regularly.
And the over privileged card isn't a good one to play anywhere, even in the ios/Steam beta forum I'd imagine.

People here generally aren't vindictive, so chill out, accept it for how it is, and if you have a valid bug to report, you'd be helping to make things better, and I'd like to read them.

 

[ZenTron]

I made my point clearly, and didn't contradict. The "which one is it?" is answered in bullet point 2, but ill restate again:

The July 1 build is unplayable, like an alpha release that shouldn't of been released at all to anyone. When a beta release is made, one that doesn't have the slots release the ball straight between the flippers, early access beta folks should have at it. After a 3-5 business day, the general public should have at it. This was the incentive for folks to fork over $400+ for the T2 kickstarter. After the general public has at it 3-5 business days it should be good enough to go on google play store.

The early access beta folks don't have a signed contract and any obligation to report bugs. The testing/bug fixing should be on going within FS. I work 40-50 hours a week and am taking a Calculus class this summer, so I might not even be able to play the build release during early access. The point is, I and 50 other folks put forth $400+ to make T2 kickstarter successful and this is an obligation and tier FS made and offered and should honor it.

FS doesn't appear to have a consistent schedule either, which makes things pretty unpredictable for everyone.

In the end I just want FS to be fair and successful and with this release they have done neither.

 

[rob3d]

I made my point clearly, and didn't contradict. The "which one is it?" is answered in bullet point 2, but ill restate again:

The July 1 build is unplayable, like an alpha release that shouldn't of been released at all to anyone. When a beta release is made, one that doesn't have the slots release the ball straight between the flippers, early access beta folks should have at it. After a 3-5 business day, the general public should have at it. This was the incentive for folks to fork over $400+ for the T2 kickstarter. After the general public has at it 3-5 business days it should be good enough to go on google play store.

The early access beta folks don't have a signed contract and any obligation to report bugs. The testing/bug fixing should be on going within FS. I work 40-50 hours a week and am taking a Calculus class this summer, so I might not even be able to play the build release during early access. The point is, I and 50 other folks put forth $400+ to make T2 kickstarter successful and this is an obligation and tier FS made and offered and should honor it.

FS doesn't appear to have a consistent schedule either, which makes things pretty unpredictable for everyone.

In the end I just want FS to be fair and successful and with this release they have done neither.

You claim all you want is FS to be fair, but the only one not being fair here is you. Its not fair to our new beta contact Flippy who is just getting into this role and has to deal with outbursts like these. And its not fair to the other beta testers in this thread would put a lot of effort into bug reporting only to hear you say they shouldn't even be beta testing at all.

It was never stated when that offer was made that the open beta would shut down and it shouldn't now simply because you feel like it.

This open beta existed long before the T2 pledge offer and has existed ever since with no change to appease the self-entitled. If you think this will change now because you cast a vote that only the 51 pledgees should get it, then consider your vote nulled as I too pledged 500 and I vote against you.

As to the state of the bugs in this beta, the amount of bugs fluctuates month to month. And while we've had a line of solid betas recently there was bound to be an issue eventually as it is a BETA. Espessially when you take into account the fact that this month they've been in a transition period where 2 employees have moved on.

Not only that, you claim to feel taken advantage of because of the amount of bugs in this beta and that you expect what get what you paid for. As a refresher the pledge for beta access was to a single platform and as you stated you chose steam. So as it stands your getting more than you've paid for and still manage to find a way to complain.

 

[jaredmorgs]

This Android beta has turned into a near final product released a few days before its uploaded to the Google Play Store to a full pre-release public beta that should only be given to the 51 folks who gave $400+ to the T2 kickstarter. I act like im being taken advantage of because I am. FS should fix these bugs prior to final compatibility public beta that these threads should and used to be about.

I won't pick apart individual members threads because I don't want to attack anyone and be respectful. All Im saying is things have changed significantly for the worse with these Android betas. FS shouldn't release bug filled builds for testing like the July 1. It is embarrassing and a waste of everyone's time.

I think you need to shift your thinking. Before, iOS could be considered as the alpha phase, which turned into the beta phase for Android.

If you aren't on the private beta threads for iOS, you may not be aware that development happens in parallel now. Not in sequence, like it did before.

Known issues are clearly stated. So if you aren't comfortable testing alpha software, please wait until the second or third build and check the known issues.

Such is the way of software development.

p.s. Farsight could just stop releasing builds altogether. They aren't obliged to do these public Android betas at all.

 

[jaredmorgs]

1) I think early beta access should only be given to the 51 folks who pledged $400+ for the T2 Kickstarter.
2) I don't think the July 1 build should of been released to either early beta access folks or beta access folks. It was to bug ridden to be released.

Those are my two points.

So are you one of these 51 folks? If so, I can see why you are pushing this point.

I might also make the point that beta testing is improved by *more* eyes on a build, rather than less.

 

[Baron Rubik]

So are you one of these 51 folks? If so, I can see why you are pushing this point.
I might also make the point that beta testing is improved by *more* eyes on a build, rather than less.

Especially after stating he wouldn't have time to test due to work commitments. But hey...

I'm looking forward to the next build though.

Hope everyone had a great 4th of July holiday.

 

[ZenTron]

rob3d, The only thing that annoyed me about your post is your comment about Flippy and my posts being "outburts." I have nothing against Flippy and my posts were in reference to FS in general. I can see that Flippy is an employee and doing the best he can do.

As for "outburts" when you have an Open/Public beta, guess what happens? The public can comment and give opinions/constructive criticism which is what I'm doing. If your going to call my posts outburst, then so if your response, but its ok.

I've given my opinion and don't need to monopolize this thread anymore so ill wait and see what happens in the next Android beta thread.

 

[Rudy]

Tbh I agree with ZenTron a little here.

I'm sure we could have all have waited a week for a build B or C with HRC, but given the impatience of some of us here it's forced some people to just release the first Beta, which helps nobody given that the bulk of the bugs were reported in the first post and build B will be significantly different, even with zero input from us here.

Ultimately it's going to end up being down to personal choice, do you want to see an internal beta that is being worked on? or do you want to wait for the more refined Beta? Different people on here want different things, and just doing one or the other isn't going to please everyone either. This beta isn't entirely worthless, we get to see the inner workings of how a table is made, the actual table layout and some of the core (yet unfinished) mechanics of the table.

 

[jaredmorgs]

For the record, I'm happy to try out Alpha builds providing a roll-up summary of issues present on iOS is provided when Alpha A is delivered.

Flippy did this shortly after uploading the Android Alpha. I think it needs to be written up *with* the first Alpha to avoid duplicate posts about known issues.

All testers should check the OP before posting.

 

[rob3d]

This public Android beta test period from FS has shown us how low the internal quality control standards have gone.

The build released July 1 is so buggy its unplayable and NOW is the time to give feedback and criticism and not wait till this product is scrapped due to a declining fan base tired of bugs.

Thats not constructive criticism, that's hyperbole

They are now releasing alpha's and expecting quality control to be done by their fans without compensation because the fan's don't want to see TPA fail.

,assumption

The point is, I and 50 other folks put forth $400+ to make T2 kickstarter successful and this is an obligation and tier FS made and offered and should honor it.

,and accusation. Had you posted a bug report then made your feelings clear without taking jabs at FS then you'd have some constructive criticism, but as you say there's no need for this thread to go further off the rails.

 

[Mad07]

Please make me a favor:
All discussion over the last 3 page have nothing to do with bug and response of the Table HTC.
I want to following this thread, waiting for the next beta version and I thing a lot of other members too. If there is a discrepancy of different meanings, please open an own thread for this.
Thanks in advance

 

[jaredmorgs]

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up, the new build will not be ready today. Fixing 10 bugs resulted in other major issues arising that we want to have fixed before we put out another build. With that being said, there will be another build ready sometime tomorrow.

Hey FlippyFloppy.

Please open another thread for the next HRC build.

We'll continue the conversation there. If you could post the roll-up summary when you do, that would be awesome.