The 12 Days of Christmas:

[brakel]

Without meaning to assume you are being obtuse for the sake of it, let me surmise that your question is genuine and clarify accordingly. I am saying that I do not think there are any tables currently in production or out of it, that would change the ESRB rating of TPA. As such, the idea of "Pinball after Dark" is a meaningless stunt which has no real relevance for the core product, an unnecessary distraction, as far as I am concerned. Am I clear?

I have never heard of something referred to as "smoke" to mean that it is meaningless and yes that was why I asked because I didn't understand. Adding to that the reference to tables in production made your post really confusing to me. So, yes I understand better.

If the After Dark product comes out with the same E 10+ rating that would be bizarre. Like I said I'm sure that FarSight has already identified the pinball machines that they would not be able to add to a product rated E 10+. Saying that you don't think there are any tables that would warrant a higher rating is meaningless because FarSight has obviously already identified them.

 

[Kadett785]

I have never heard of something referred to as "smoke" to mean that it is meaningless and yes that was why I asked because I didn't understand. Adding to that the reference to tables in production made your post really confusing to me. So, yes I understand better.

If the After Dark product comes out with the same E 10+ rating that would be bizarre. Like I said I'm sure that FarSight has already identified the pinball machines that they would not be able to add to a product rated E 10+. Saying that you don't think there are any tables that would warrant a higher rating is meaningless because FarSight has obviously already identified them.

Fair enough, we shall see I suppose. As I mentioned I do question whether the ESRB would actually rate pinball tables higher than E10+ (after all, Scared Stiff and T2 have had no apparent impact on the rating). But, as in all things we shall find out by what transpires..perhaps Farsight will enlighten us on this. I do wonder though, if this means they are going to try and develop their own custom tables with mature content, and that is essentially my concern, as I want them to continue to concentrate on the core of TPA which involves production tables.

 

[dtown8532]

Fair enough, we shall see I suppose. As I mentioned I do question whether the ESRB would actually rate pinball tables higher than E10+ (after all, Scared Stiff and T2 have had no apparent impact on the rating). But, as in all things we shall find out by what transpires..perhaps Farsight will enlighten us on this. I do wonder though, if this means they are going to try and develop their own custom tables with mature content, and that is essentially my concern, as I want them to continue to concentrate on the core of TPA which involves production tables.

Stern's Playboy equipped with the nudie photos and Sopranos with family mode "off" would get a ESRB of "Mature." Full nudity and the multiple use of the word "f*ck" would not pass for an E10 rating.

 

[shutyertrap]

Stern's Playboy equipped with the nudie photos and Sopranos with family mode "off" would get a ESRB of "Mature." Full nudity and the multiple use of the word "f*ck" would not pass for an E10 rating.

Same goes for Demolition Man without family mode on.

Here's what I have been told...something as simple as the use of "bi***in" in Earthshaker moves the rating out of E10. The mere use of the word 'Playboy' on either the Bally or Stern table moves the rating, simply by what it implies which is pornography. Big Bang Bar is beyond the current rating because of the topless tube dancer, even though she's an alien and not any worse than a naked Barbie. Themes, content, language. That's what it comes down to. Imagine if nothing else on Scared Stiff was changed except it featured a known porn star instead of Elvira. Moves it right from campy tv hostess who uses double entendres straight in to soft core suggestiveness.

People have suggested titles like Xenon or Future Spa could be 'AD' candidates. While I think they'd make it just fine in regular TPA with no changes, I also think it'd be a good way of selling slightly questionable themes with no blow back.

 

[SKILL_SHOT]

donf forget EATPM should have a sticker over her breasts, this was mandatory if the machine was in an arcade that children played. sometimes a COUPLE things make it in.

 

[brakel]

Its funny how the attitude on sex changed in the US from the 70's to the 80's. In the 70's Playboy wasn't considered pornography. Pornography was pictures or film of a sex act. Playboy was just erotica. The word Playboy was accepted in mainstream including regular broadcast TV of Playboy After Dark. Then the 80's hit and suddenly the covers of Playboys had to be covered by magazine rack inserts at the store and some convenience store chains banned the magazines altogether. I blame Reagan and the conservative revolution.

 

[SKILL_SHOT]

if these games wernt meant for kids why the SAY NO TO DRUGS campaign on them? Didnt work

 

[Bowflex]

Its funny how the attitude on sex changed in the US from the 70's to the 80's. In the 70's Playboy wasn't considered pornography. Pornography was pictures or film of a sex act. Playboy was just erotica. The word Playboy was accepted in mainstream including regular broadcast TV of Playboy After Dark. Then the 80's hit and suddenly the covers of Playboys had to be covered by magazine rack inserts at the store and some convenience store chains banned the magazines altogether. I blame Reagan and the conservative revolution.

I always thought the big game changer was AIDS. Reagan seemed more focused on the "war on drugs" but that probably was a gateway for more conservatism, especially by the Tipper Gore's of the world and her friends (ironically she is a Democrat) to wage their war on "obscenity".

 

[brakel]

I always thought the big game changer was AIDS. Reagan seemed more focused on the "war on drugs" but that probably was a gateway for more conservatism, especially by the Tipper Gore's of the world and her friends (ironically she is a Democrat) to wage their war on "obscenity".

I don't think it had anything to do with AIDS. Tipper Gore was certainly part of the conservative revolution but I thought her war was more against "objectionable" lyrics. The conservative movement that was ushered in along with Reagan in 1980 was a bipartisan change. It basically reflected the change as baby boomers grew up. 20 year olds have naked sit-ins at the local public park. 40 year olds make laws against it. I don't really think that Reagan was responsible for the new conservative movement. He was just the right person to ride that wave to the White House.

AIDS didn't really change much in the early to mid eighties when the new conservative movement started. At least in the US it was still considered a gay disease.

 

[SKILL_SHOT]

yuppies!

 

[Bowflex]

yuppies!

Yeah. Patrick Bateman and his buddies!

 

[netizen]

I always thought the big game changer was AIDS. Reagan seemed more focused on the "war on drugs" but that probably was a gateway for more conservatism, especially by the Tipper Gore's of the world and her friends (ironically she is a Democrat) to wage their war on "obscenity".

Yeah good old Tipper. IIRC, there's at least a couple different songs dedicated to that cheerful lady and her personal crusade to rid the world of dirty language.

Don't forget that during all of this was the under current of Satanic Panic and because of that debacle the nifty and ever so effective idea of Stranger Danger was introduced, and look where we are today because of all the "protective measures" that have been implemented since because we were thinking of the children.

 

[Lostboy]

We love you, Tipper Gore

 

[netizen]

We love you, Tipper Gore

 

[soundwave106]

Yeah good old Tipper. IIRC, there's at least a couple different songs dedicated to that cheerful lady and her personal crusade to rid the world of dirty language.

Ironically the decade after the Tipper, the 1990s, particularly the later half of the decade, was really the peak of "foul language" in media ala how nudity in media peaked in the 1970s. Topical example: most of the obvious "foul language" After Dark pin candidates were either made / conceived in the 1990s (the Capcoms), or came from late 1990s shows (South Park, Family Guy, Sopranos).

In other words: Tipper's crusade really didn't pan out too well.

 

[SKILL_SHOT]

crusades never do next on the list of failed crusades M.Obamas trying to stop kids from getting fat...its not JUST the food to blame its the lack of excersise. I cant believe my eyes I swear almost every kid I see is a little porker with thier pudgy fat faces glued to a smart phone. sad.

 

[Naildriver74]

The government is slowly taking away all or freedoms and telling us what they think is best for us something's got to change. I'm hoping its through the ballot box but be prepared.

 

[PiN WiZ]

Please reserve political discussions for the off-topic forum.

 

[SKILL_SHOT]

time 2 close this thread. Wheres the thread?....threads dead baby, threads dead.