Pinballwiz45b
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Not Planetary. Scientific Games is the owner of the WMS branding.
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Welcome Back to Digital Pinball Fans - please read this first
Initial Thoughts on PBA for Switch
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Not Planetary. Scientific Games is the owner of the WMS branding.
StarDust4Ever
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So, unless I miscounted, there are currently 94 tables available based on the website. In total 62 tables, or roughly two thirds of the core game essentially is becoming vaporware. That can not be good for Farsight or their fans...
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It comes down to price. Also with the agreement with Stern, it might be possible that there will be a better selection of available Stern tables to reproduce. If FS is to succeed post Williams/Ballys, they'll need to lean heavy on the newer Stern, I would think. Personally, I'd love to go old school with Goetlieb, but understand the demand for more current tables.
I'm kicking myself so much for missing that opportunity to get the full season packs. I've only gotten into pinball recently and was really looking forward to playing these on my Switch since that's my only real option for the game but now it seems the release we're getting tomorrow is a shell of itself with few of the tables I was looking forward to. This change really turns me off as a new customer and I don't know if I'm going to support the game after all, especially if the pricing doesn't change.
Dok5555555
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Apparently if you had the game before and you update it to the new version you lose Tales of the Arabian Nights. I thought all tables you had before it got pulled you'd get to keep but I guess not. Wish I knew that before I updated.
Brian Clark
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Did Scientific Games not renewing the license have anything to do with Switch, or was it unrelated? It's frustrating that they pulled the license. It seems the company focuses on Gambling rather than Pinball. Another Konami that cares more for gambling machines than actual games?
I recommend changing the game icon. It still shows Circus Voltaire.
I recommend changing the game icon. It still shows Circus Voltaire.
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I still have TOTAN on my switch and and I got the new update that removes the Williams/Bally licenses.
Citizen
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Did you buy Season 1 the first day it was available?
SqueakyClean
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Unfortunately yes. Although they said the rerelease would be in the US and Europe at the same time, Europe will get it next week. I’m not even surprised.
SqueakyClean
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Here’s the info. There are 8 table packs, 4 Gottlieb, 2 Stern, Alvin G and Doctor Who.
Frankenstein is free.
Gottlieb 1 - $9.99
Frankenstein is free.
Gottlieb 1 - $9.99
- Frank Thomas’ Big Hurt
- Gladiators
- Haunted House
- Victory
- Genie
- Light...Camera...Action!
- Wipe Out
- Rescue 911
- Bone Busters Inc
- Black Hole
- El Dorado City of Gold
- Goin’ Nuts
- TX-Sector
- Tee’d Off
- Cue Ball Wizard
- Class of 1812
- Cactus Jacks
- Big Shot
- Centigrade 37
- Central Park
- El Dorado EM
- Jacks Open
- Ripley’s Believe it or Not
- Star Trek Vengeance
- AC/DC
- Flight 2000
- Ghostbusters
- Harley-Davidson
- High Roller Casino
- Mustang
- Last Action Hero
- Phantom of the Opera
- Al’s Garage Band Goes on a Wold Tour
- Pistol Poker
- Doctor Who: Master of Time
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Yes I did, I actually bought all the seasons.
Doesnt the switch force update your top played games on the main menu?
Citizen
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That's why the update didn't kill TOTAN for you.
Automatic updates can be turned off under the system settings, and although the Switch will pester you to update them, you can simply click "Start Software".
StarDust4Ever
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In a slightly drunked panic last night, I picked through the Pinball Arcade app on my Android tablet and chery picked my favorite table packs from TPA seasons 1-5, and most of the better looking tables from the seasons 6-7 that I never got access to, including early era solid state and electro mechsnical. I like how two of my most favorite tables from Williams, Bride of Pinbot and Mideval Madness, came together as table pack 1 from season 1.
I read the press release from the Nintendo eShop about Pinball Arcade, and "35 of the best pinball tables of all time", and it had a "yeah!" and an "Oh..." button. I clicked the "Oh..." option, possibly for the first time. Nintendo thanked me for my feedback. Sorry but that's just disappointing. I plan on getting the four Gottlieb packs anyway (basically for me it's going to be just like the Gamecube Gottlieb Hall of Fame disc but on steroids), but Stern can diaf after the "double dipping" fiasco. I was right to wait for the main Pinball Arcade app to drop even though they've royally screwed the pooch withthis release.
I literally only bought the Ghostbusters and ACDC pinballs from the Stern app when it launched, being premium tables. I love ACDC and the table really showcases their music and has an additude that's lacking in other pins. Ghostbusters because I like the franchise. They have milked the Stern app by charging premium rates over classic table packs, and many of them aren't that exciting (except the ACDC one, which I knew from the day they announced it, would never see the light of day) with lackluster themes. I can't explain why, but for the most part the classic tables are funner.
Moving on, I see a serious issue with the format of the updated app. Most tables no longer offer a free demo, which is basically suicide on Farsight's part. How do I know if I want to own a table without a free trial? Most people aren't going to spend a dime without test driving the tables. I don't know if it's a Nintendo policy or changes with the licensing agreement on Farsight's part, but they've basically committed suicide here if Farsight pulls this same stunt with their other platforms, especially mobile.
Finally I'm addressing a lack of polish and effort, specifically with their Switch port. It's still a vanilla port, albeit with improved lighting and rotation options. When I downloaded Pinball FX 3, I was amazed with the level of realism the FX team achieved by utilizing the HD Rumble features of the Joycon / Pro controller. I can feel the ball rolling across the table, and every pop bumper and flipper hit felt just like it does when I'm playing a real table. Just feeling the ball rolling around through the tablet (in portable mode) makes me feel as though the simulation is real, like I'm holding a miniature pinball table in my hand. Pinball Arcade / Stern Pinball Arcade literally evokes the exact same sensation as traditional controllers with weighted motors. The vibration frequency is monotone and abrupty cuts on and off as if the rumble motor is being activated on and off by a digital switch. Even traditional controllers would duty cycle the voltage signal to the motors to adjust the intensity. The on/off buzzing in Pinball Arcade is like a cell phone in vibrate mode.
Don't get me wrong, the vibration feature isn't undesirable of bad. It just shows evidence of a lazy port by Farsight without the custom tweaking necessary to make it take full advantage of the system's caabilities. They could have hooked up vibration sensors to real tables underneath the left and right flipper buttons, capturing low frequency effects and applied these effects to the hd rumble motors. Farsight had the opportunity to create a more immersive experience specifically for Switch owners, but chose not to, instead porting traditional rumble motor feedback effects. Pinball FX went the extra mile on the Switch port by utilizing HD rumble, and it makes a huge difference in realism.
I read the press release from the Nintendo eShop about Pinball Arcade, and "35 of the best pinball tables of all time", and it had a "yeah!" and an "Oh..." button. I clicked the "Oh..." option, possibly for the first time. Nintendo thanked me for my feedback. Sorry but that's just disappointing. I plan on getting the four Gottlieb packs anyway (basically for me it's going to be just like the Gamecube Gottlieb Hall of Fame disc but on steroids), but Stern can diaf after the "double dipping" fiasco. I was right to wait for the main Pinball Arcade app to drop even though they've royally screwed the pooch withthis release.
I literally only bought the Ghostbusters and ACDC pinballs from the Stern app when it launched, being premium tables. I love ACDC and the table really showcases their music and has an additude that's lacking in other pins. Ghostbusters because I like the franchise. They have milked the Stern app by charging premium rates over classic table packs, and many of them aren't that exciting (except the ACDC one, which I knew from the day they announced it, would never see the light of day) with lackluster themes. I can't explain why, but for the most part the classic tables are funner.
Moving on, I see a serious issue with the format of the updated app. Most tables no longer offer a free demo, which is basically suicide on Farsight's part. How do I know if I want to own a table without a free trial? Most people aren't going to spend a dime without test driving the tables. I don't know if it's a Nintendo policy or changes with the licensing agreement on Farsight's part, but they've basically committed suicide here if Farsight pulls this same stunt with their other platforms, especially mobile.
Finally I'm addressing a lack of polish and effort, specifically with their Switch port. It's still a vanilla port, albeit with improved lighting and rotation options. When I downloaded Pinball FX 3, I was amazed with the level of realism the FX team achieved by utilizing the HD Rumble features of the Joycon / Pro controller. I can feel the ball rolling across the table, and every pop bumper and flipper hit felt just like it does when I'm playing a real table. Just feeling the ball rolling around through the tablet (in portable mode) makes me feel as though the simulation is real, like I'm holding a miniature pinball table in my hand. Pinball Arcade / Stern Pinball Arcade literally evokes the exact same sensation as traditional controllers with weighted motors. The vibration frequency is monotone and abrupty cuts on and off as if the rumble motor is being activated on and off by a digital switch. Even traditional controllers would duty cycle the voltage signal to the motors to adjust the intensity. The on/off buzzing in Pinball Arcade is like a cell phone in vibrate mode.
Don't get me wrong, the vibration feature isn't undesirable of bad. It just shows evidence of a lazy port by Farsight without the custom tweaking necessary to make it take full advantage of the system's caabilities. They could have hooked up vibration sensors to real tables underneath the left and right flipper buttons, capturing low frequency effects and applied these effects to the hd rumble motors. Farsight had the opportunity to create a more immersive experience specifically for Switch owners, but chose not to, instead porting traditional rumble motor feedback effects. Pinball FX went the extra mile on the Switch port by utilizing HD rumble, and it makes a huge difference in realism.
Okay, so they went from $210 for the 90+ tables on the first release, lost 2/3 of the content, and now what's left costs $91.
You could have gotten more tables on the old price structure, better tables, too, for $60.
This is not going to be a popular pricing structure.
You could have gotten more tables on the old price structure, better tables, too, for $60.
This is not going to be a popular pricing structure.
Kolchak357
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Ouch, that’s not good.
Season One had 2 tables a pack, so it came with a lot of tables, and generally among the best of all of TPA’s offerings. Which sadly was also mainly Williams and Ballys.
So that, I think is the main reason for the pricing discrepancy. Odd, less money for the bulk and quality of Season One.
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