Request Who wants Bram Stokers Dracula to be this years Halloween table?

[DaPinballWizard]

Only played the VP table but that was a lot of fun. I say yes. Would be a great addition.

 

[lettuce]

I still find it odd that Zen can get the license for a massive franchise like star wars and it able to use the likeness of such actors as Harrison Ford (who is know not to be the easiest to work with) and still not need to charge their user base anymore for these tables.

 

[Mick Morry]

Voted yes.

 

[ER777]

I would love to see BSD as the Halloween table but TFTC would be great too.

 

[netizen]

I still find it odd that Zen can get the license for a massive franchise like star wars and it able to use the likeness of such actors as Harrison Ford (who is know not to be the easiest to work with) and still not need to charge their user base anymore for these tables.

I think you need to take another look at the ZEN tables, for real. There is no Harrison Ford on them. There is a Han Solo. The actor and the fictional character are two separate things.

Secondly, ZENs publisher is Microsoft, that gives them nearly unlimited money and a huge connection to open doors with.

Thirdly, ZEN makes digital original tables, the only licences are the names and the characters, there are no likenesses involved as they are not making recreation of real machines that have a real persons likeness on them.

Fourth, ZEN does not make real tables.

Fifth, Zen got the license from Lucas arts before it got sold to Disney. That was a feat of legal wrangling, but again see points 1-4. Review the thing about fictional characters vs actors likenesses.

Do you think you can grasp this now? This seems to be a re-occuring topic and the response is always but ZEN ... :'(

 

[lettuce]

I think you need to take another look at the ZEN tables, for real. There is no Harrison Ford on them. There is a Han Solo. The actor and the fictional character are two separate things.

Han Solo is play by Harrison Ford and thus has a likeness to Ford, so a likeness license applies. If this was the case then no tables in the pinball arcade would need any license to do with likeness...think about it

Secondly, ZENs publisher is Microsoft, that gives them nearly unlimited money and a huge connection to open doors with.

Wrong, Microsoft only publish Pinball FX on 360 and PC only, Zen pinball (which also includes all the star wars and Marvel tables) was Not publish by Microsoft.

Thirdly, ZEN makes digital original tables, the only licences are the names and the characters, there are no likenesses involved as they are not making recreation of real machines that have a real persons likeness on them.

Irrelevant, a likeness license would still apply. Your still basing a table on a film/property IP.

Fourth, ZEN does not make real tables.

What does this have to do with anything?

Fifth, Zen got the license from Lucas arts before it got sold to Disney. That was a feat of legal wrangling, but again see points 1-4. Review the thing about fictional characters vs actors likenesses.

Irrelavant, license would still be needed

Now do you think you can grasp that???

 

[netizen]

You're still not grasping the concept eh.

A fictional character is only granted an actors likeness when it is associated to the actor directly. Had Zen created the table based on the film, and included a picture of Harrison Ford as Han Solo on it, then there would be a likeness. However seeing as Harrison ford IS NOT Han Solo people can make things about Han Solo and not have to pay a Likeness to Harrison Ford for each Story/Video Game/Etc.

Because Zen doesn't make real Tables there is no need to do marketing tie-ins with the actual movie properties, which would involve the actors, hence likenesses. They merely have to deal with the holder of the IP, and then they can use the names of the characters freely in their product. Much like getting a license to write a star wars novel, duh doi!

Until Harrison Ford buys the rights to Han Solo, and Indiana Jones, they are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS he played.l Get it! He is an actor. He is no more Han Solo than he is Jack Ryan, or Deckard.

The right of publicity is essentially the right to control the commercial use of your identity and image.

Now can you claim that Harrison Ford can control who uses the image of A scruffy dude in dark pants and a vest w/ a blaster. NO! That image is owned no by Disney, but it was orignally owned by Lucas Arts. The character was played by Harison Ford. Not owned by him.

Clear, good.

 

[Baramos]

Well the point would still stand why Farsight has to get the license for a likeness of Gary Oldman as opposed to a license for the likeness of Dracula from Bram Stoker's Dracula. Are you saying it's the latter and they don't have to deal with Gary Oldman but instead the studio that owns the rights to the movie?

 

[netizen]

Well the point would still stand why Farsight has to get the license for a likeness of Gary Oldman as opposed to a license for the likeness of Dracula from Bram Stoker's Dracula. Are you saying it's the latter and they don't have to deal with Gary Oldman but instead the studio that owns the rights to the movie?

They have to get the rights from the studio, and the likeness rights for anyone that is on the actual machine due to it being licensed to the movie that features actual actors playing the roles, not just a license to the IP of Dracula in general.

This is because the characters on the machine are of the actors who played the characters in the movie, not just artist renditions of the characters from the novel. There is a massive difference between the two.

 

[Lord Boron]

You can't really use Star Wars as a good example because Lucasfilm, unlike most most contracts, owns the character liknesses, and can do what they want with them. This is very different from the usual licensing agreements with film studios where the actor needs to be compensated for any use of thier likness. To be in a Star Wars Film, you basically sign away any rights to your likness as that character. Carrie Fisher once joked that every time she looks in a mirror, she has to pay George Lucas.

 

[night]

Well, this all is a lot to 'grasp'.

 

[Tales from the Crypt !!]

Tales from the Crypt + Dracula Halloween SUPER PACK

I would pay $20 for that Pack

 

[ER777]

You can't really use Star Wars as a good example because Lucasfilm, unlike most most contracts, owns the character liknesses, and can do what they want with them. This is very different from the usual licensing agreements with film studios where the actor needs to be compensated for any use of thier likness. To be in a Star Wars Film, you basically sign away any rights to your likness as that character. Carrie Fisher once joked that every time she looks in a mirror, she has to pay George Lucas.

Yes, I've heard this same story as well. I also heard that this was mostly done for toy merchandising and because of that the original agreement didn't include anything about speech. That was discussed a little on the Zen boards when people were asking why the voice clips were done by impersonators rather than just using actual voice clips from the movies.

 

[lettuce]

Defo looks like a strong possibility that we might see BSD for Halloween (Sept or Oct table).........

 

[danivempire]

would be a cool news ^^

 

[DokkenRokken]

EVERYONE wants this table.

Make it so!!!

 

[Captain B. Zarre]

Seriously, can someone ask them on Facebook or the stream about the Stern table? I'm honestly guessing it is Tales from the Crypt

 

[pm1109]

I want Dracula way before Halloween How about June or July

 

[Nightwing]

There is no way we get BSD before October.
It would be a great start to Season 4 though

 

[CC13]

There is no way we get BSD before October.
It would be a great start to Season 4 though

Actually, we might get it in September if we're lucky–Haunted House landed last September, IIRC.