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Rudy

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Nope, if it's only being distributed on Steam then you'd need to emulate the entire Steam Client + TPA if you wanted to play it on linux, that would pose a great deal of problems.

What we might see is Farsight looking into developing alternate versions in the future once the base game is sorted for PC. Upgrading the Mac version would presumably be next on the list of priorities followed by Linux for use with Valve's Steambox. But it's going to take a while and both would effectively be considered brand new platforms in terms of building the base game.

But for now there's almost no point in developing for Linux because Linux users don't tend to 'buy' or 'pay for' software. The steambox might fix that by making it just like any other games console + a buy for Linux is cross compatible, but the catch is that porting it to Linux or Mac via steam means that a single platform buy is only one income stream, not three.

Plus it'd kill off the Mac's own version (if you could buy it through Steam and have access to the PC version too) which could pose problems for the iPod version of it if Apple throws their toys out of the pram.
 

jaredmorgs

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Worf

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Linux users do buy and pay for games - especially because there's so few of them.

HOWEVER, the Linux community is very passionate, and there are many people who see closed source code as the devil and that it would mean the end of Free Software and everything else. Yes, they consider Steam to be very bad.

So among the practical users of Linux, plenty of audience because there's just so few commercial applications for Linux. Amongst the more vocal crowd though, forget it.

Steambox users won't really count - they'll be more like "console" users who don't care.

And yes, while it runs Linux, it makes good business sense for Valve because they're attacked on their primary platform by the Windows App Store, the Mac platform by the Mac App Store, and Linux is an open field with NO app store. So Valve gets to stake Steam as the official Linux App Store and hopefully get enough traction that everyone releases on Steam. It's why Steam has an other section now for regular applications - they're one of the first in the whole app store business, and they see Linux as an opening while being squeezed on both Windows and OS X.

And generally speaking, Linux users are more technical minded and really don't do stuff like pirate software and such.
 

Lasd

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But for now there's almost no point in developing for Linux because Linux users don't tend to 'buy' or 'pay for' software.

That is unnecessarily inflammatory and downright not true. If you check the sales statistics of any of the Humble Bundles (game bundles where buyers can choose the price they pay for it), the Linux users always pay the most, sometimes beating the average of Windows users two-fold. Linux users are prepared to pay well for native support, when someone actually provides that. It's just so rare that it must seem like Linux users wouldn't want to.

I'm sure there are pinball fanatic Linux users that would be thrilled to have Pinball Arcade on their platform and gladly pay anything that was asked for it.
 

jaredmorgs

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Note to self: don't talk smack about Linux ;)

Talk smack about it all you want. Reasoned debate is what Linux users thrive on, and we do love a good bit of debate over Debian vs fedora vs <insert any of the hundreds of distros out there>

But if you start making factually-incorrect, sweeping generalizations about Linux users, don't expect us to let you get away with it.

Anyhow, onwards and upwards...
 

Rudy

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Yeah, I should have explained my point more instead of it looking pretty inflammatory <_<

I dual boot Windows 7 and Linux mint (only really use the Windows side for games, surprisingly enough) and effectively do buy some software for Linux, but only through humble bundle offers where there's cross compatibility options. Humble Bundles work, and prove that Linux users DO buy software, but that software is usually pretty lenient with it's licensing (not dependent on DRM to make sure the licenses work). Usually if you buy a game through the Humble Bundle you can download a DRM free copy of it to 'lend' to your friends, and I'm not sure the guys who own the Star Trek franchise would like people just passing copies of the table around for free when it's linked to a high profile game.

But in my experience I don't know of many people who buy games directly for Linux, or Linux only games, just people who buy cross compatible games and/or use WINE to make their purchased PC games work on Linux.

So long story short, it'd work on Steam but as a standalone product on say, the Ubuntu store it'd probably bomb. But developing it for Steam Linux would be pretty worthless in terms of Farsight when it's not going to produce any extra sales on multi booting machines, only Linux only machines.
 

Heretic

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linux is for nerds.

fyi ill be testing tpa under debian slackware so if its possible to get tpa running smoothly under it ill be creating a guide for our more foss minded brethern.

considering the base atm is directx 9 i do have high hooes.
 

Heretic

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linux is for nerds.

fyi ill be testing tpa under debian slackware so if its possible to get tpa running smoothly under it ill be creating a guide for our more foss minded brethern.

considering the base atm is directx 9 i do have high hooes.


interesting side note after all the *nix talk

it would seem the ps4 offical os is a variant of freebsd 9, called orbis.

yes theres a deamon inside!
 

jaredmorgs

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linux is for nerds.

fyi ill be testing tpa under debian slackware so if its possible to get tpa running smoothly under it ill be creating a guide for our more foss minded brethern.

considering the base atm is directx 9 i do have high hooes.

You are a winner, heretic. :)
 

Timelord

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Does this mean you will finally buy a keyboard?

That kept you from working on the last two projects. They do sell keyboards in Belfast, correct?

Well, we can only hope.

Timelord ....

interesting side note after all the *nix talk

it would seem the ps4 offical os is a variant of freebsd 9, called orbis.

yes theres a deamon inside!
 

Mark W**a

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